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re: For those who think paying college athletes is just fine.

Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:40 am to
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
13114 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:40 am to
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How many tens of thousands of dollars is a full ride scholarship to a major university worth? Don't tell me these kids are not being paid


Depends on whose perspective you ask. From mine, not one "tens of thousands of dollars". The paper the diploma is printed on is worth more to me.
As for the top 1% of recruits this discussion is really about, the diploma is worth about the same as to me. They don't go to college to play school. They couldn't care less about what you value that scholarship at in terms of $.
Even if worth 10s of thousands, was Jayden Daniels' contribution to LSU in $ value the same as Peyton Todd's? Why should the compensation in the 10s of thousands be the same? Shouldn't Daniels be worth more to LSU based on what he generated? Did Todd's contribution even equal the value of the scholarship? Using your proposal, the cycle of the rich getting richer(LSU in this case) continues. Meanwhile, it proposes that there is no middle class. Just the poor at the bottom getting the same rate no matter their true value. A little socialistic.
Now let's spin it around. How do you propose we deal with situations like Livvy Dunne? She's capitalized on NIL as much as anyone yet her value to the gymnastics title was far less than many of the other gymnasts. Should she be granted the right to make the millions she's made? Why aren't the other girls compensated the same? Couldn't be she has a product that is more valuable! That can't be allowed can it? Not according to those who cast stones at college football players taking advantage of the same system.
As I said, you don't obliterate the entire system because a few bad actors take advantage. That encompasses the schools, boosters, agents, parents and kids. The system is fine. The egos with the money playing by rules other than those the rest of us must is what's broken. You don't make decisions based on what benefits the top 1%. The 99% that use the system the right way should be the basis for those decisions. That debate is central to the considerable amount of unrest politically in this country at present.
Seemingly unrelated decisions based on selfish ideas of the elite trickle down to the average eventually. As it relates to NIL, college football and us as average Americans. The NCAA, TV networks, shoe companies catch grief about making billions on the backs of amatuers for decades not allowed to benefit on their own worth. They pass blame onto the universities who agree(forced or not) to pay their share of compensation. Even further all agree on a capped(this is important) amount of $ the university will contribute to the NIL fund yearly. Then right on que, who do the universities ask for the balance of the $? You guessed it, us the average American sports fan. Then to ensure the continuation of the cycle, some of us, as average LSU fans and Americans, portray elite and chastise those who dare not choose to contribute to the nonsense. In essence, the noncontributors are the poor in this scenario. Also happen to be those in which all the sense lies. Makes one wonder who's really "rich"?
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
1779 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 6:54 am to
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Transfer portal is the real problem. So what if Caitlin Clark does State Farm commercials or Get Gordon features Tigers on a billboard? The transfers are what needs to be reined in.
Bingo, transfer portal is the real issue. Turn it off. Grad transfer only. Otherwise you sit out a year, even if it’s from Alabama to North Dakota St, you sit. So either grind and get a spot or go sit down. Just turning off the portal will rein in some of this NIL mess.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21514 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 8:24 am to
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These kids deserve to be paid for the money they generate. If only those with the money just followed the rules, or the spirit of them at least. Sure it's the kids fault.


Compensation can be non-monetary. They get scholarships, meal plans, housing, training, access to the best facilities, and many other perks.

College sports peaked when none of this was an issue. The market essentially revealed these kids playing college ball was the best deal they could get, the only barrier imposed is by the NFL and their players’ union. They deserve most of the blame in this entire situation, but I do want to address whether it’s “the kids fault”.

There is a logical fallacy that exists in society which fails to link a problem to a fair and practical solution. Or simply that problems are discussed that use victims that will never be adequately or equitably compensated for certain wrongs purported on them. In this particular case, there simply isn’t that much money to go around to pay the kids, beyond what they are actually being paid. How do we get from “kids should be paid” to a fair and equitable solution that reallocates revenue directly to the players, while also maintaining that revenue source (ie school and fan support)? Most people have zero interest in stick around this conversation beyond complaining on the kids behalf.

I think all of that is self-evident, as they are essentially now being paid under a loophole of sorts, NIL. 99+% of these athletes have no more value attributed to their NIL than anyone in this thread.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451907 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:34 am to
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All those Lambos will back at the dealership on Monday. Most of these kids have never even seen a stick shift.


I didn't see a lot of 10-year old Gallardos or Murcis in that video.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
451907 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:35 am to
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Bingo, transfer portal is the real issue. Turn it off. Grad transfer only.

Grad transfers are still wrong.

If you turn off transfers, it should be the classic rules. 1 year sit for everything.

LSU fans just irrationally cling to the grad transfer to claim Burrow
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
28556 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:51 am to
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Problem is, NIL. The NCAA cannot put a cap on NIL earnings. If they tried attorneys would lining up left and right to sue the NCAA. Even if the schools had a Pay-for-play cap, there is nothing to stop Dallas oil man from dropping a mil or two for a 5 star QB.


And this is why the NCAA is doomed. At least this combined with the portal and Title IX. The NCAA cannot offer a system that restricts pay or movement, or that offers independence from Womens’ sports that lose money. They can never get around them, and the big players aren’t going to settle for what’s happening today.

The power conferences will eventually break away from the the NCAA and the schools themselves. Teams will license the names, logos, colors, etc. and lease the stadiums and facilities from the schools as the way to funnel them their cut of the money that will be generated. This will do away with everything that’s put the entire system out of balance.

Once this all happens, NIL and the portal are gone and Title IX is no longer a concern because college football will become a private enterprise. A collective bargaining agreement with contracts, pay scale and caps, etc will be hammered out and players will no longer have more freedom of movement than an average NFL player does. NIL will be replaced with straightforward direct endorsement deals.

It basically makes college football a secondary pro football league, but it’s the only way forward that offers any stability now that the genie is out of the bottle. If schools are going to pay players directly, this has to happen eventually. They aren’t going to put up with the freely open portal and Title IX if players will be employees going forward.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 9:59 am
Posted by Tigershine
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2015
1758 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 9:54 am to
Did the coaching Daniels' receive result in his draft position into the NFL? Was that enough compensation for the value he brought to the university?
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
1779 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 10:03 am to
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LSU fans just irrationally cling to the grad transfer to claim Burrow
Nah if you get your degree, you should be rewarded with the ability to get a shot to play. You are there to get an education and then play. If you knock out the first part, I support you finding a place to play!!!
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
36317 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 10:11 am to
I've never been against it but always felt money should go to an account and it should be managed in some fashion. Maybe only allowing them access to so much in a time period. They are still kids after all
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
51827 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 10:41 am to
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Did the coaching Daniels' receive result in his draft position into the NFL? Was that enough compensation for the value he brought to the university?


Some guys generate those millions and don’t have an NFL future…
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2804 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 1:04 pm to
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Bingo, transfer portal is the real issue. Turn it off. Grad transfer only. Otherwise you sit out a year, even if it’s from Alabama to North Dakota St, you sit. So either grind and get a spot or go sit down. Just turning off the portal will rein in some of this NIL mes


Here's a post I can agree with wholeheartedly. The unlimited transfers is what has go college football so frick3d up.

Even if the NCAA or even the conferences themselves were to agree to allow just a single transfer without consequence, it would reign in a great deal of the shitshow we have going on right now.

It also wouldn't be disingenuous or unfair to the players to scale it back to a single transfer. If you want a second, you have to sit. It seems like an equitable compromise to me.
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
10601 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 4:20 pm to
Problem is most of them don’t have parents who can or want to see through it because they are the main money hungry ones that want to profit off of their son’s success.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
53776 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 6:56 pm to
Oklahoma did this last year it’s a car show. All the staff has to do is show the NFL money that the Tigers are getting.

I understand the whole SEC is at the frick Texas point but they’re not handing out Lambos to each player.
Posted by Hornfully Yours
Member since Jun 2022
24 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:04 pm to
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It’s not the paying players that is the problem, it’s that there are no controls. No contracts, no salary caps. Rich schools/boosters just dole out unlimited money. Players can just transfer to highest bidder as often as they want. No controls on schools paying ungodly amounts of money. No controls on players jumping from one team to another. This is all exponentially worse than the NFL.



I don't see this as a bad thing at all. Players are free agents who deserve to be paid what the market will bear. College football for decades has been a billion-dollar industry that has shamefully underpaid its workers/talent, while bureaucrats and others get fat. As a conservative, I'm glad the tables have turned. The free market is a beautiful thing. I'm all for it. Seeing Bruce Springsteen costs a lot more than seeing Weldon Johnson at the Dew Drop Inn because enough people have decided that Springsteen is worth it. If LSU wants in the game they'll have to pony-up for the talent. That's all there is to it.

Let the games begin.


Posted by Hornfully Yours
Member since Jun 2022
24 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:06 pm to
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Some guys generate those millions and don’t have an NFL future…



So why shouldn't they take the money now?
Posted by Hornfully Yours
Member since Jun 2022
24 posts
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:09 pm to
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99+% of these athletes have no more value attributed to their NIL than anyone in this thread.



The fact that they are getting paid NIL and I am not disproves this.
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