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Drizzt
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re: Bama development of LA signees
If you don’t think whenever Saban has two roughly equivalent players he goes with the player from Louisiana then you aren’t very smart. You really think Saban couldn’t have recruited a better player than Hootie Jones?


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LSUFAN227
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re: Bama development of LA signees
I’m confused as to why ppl are hating on Tim. LSU withdrew offer at the end and he had a pretty damn good career at bama. About on par if not better than his high school rating. Was also a top 15 draft pick. What’s the argument here?


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James Woods
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Member since Dec 2012
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re: Bama development of LA signees
Surprised no one mentioned Denzel Devall. Big loss when we he want to Bama from Bastrop. He started at Bama but fizzled out the league quickly


Ripley
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3442 posts

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Surprised no one mentioned Denzel Devall

Dang, hadn't heard this guy's name in a LONG time.

At the time it felt like a huge loss.


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Howyouluhdat
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Member since Jan 2015
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re: Bama development of LA signees
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Had we got an average Surtain we may not have gotten both of those guys.


. He's only average in homer LSU fan's eyes. I posted facts that prove you wrong.

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Surtain has underachieved for a 5 star.


Again you are wrong. Facts outweigh your butt hurt opinion


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TBoy@LSU
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re: Bama development of LA signees
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You’re thinking of Devonta Smith


Exactly. Devonta Lee is an LSU player that has been moved form WR to LB.

LINK


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boxcar willie
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re: Bama development of LA signees
most of those guys on that list just were never going to be very good no matter where they went. Very marginal players. Bama couldn't turn them into top level players any more than LSU or anyone else could have. Its seems to be more of a problem of evaluation than of development. LSU has been pretty good at evaluating these marginal type players in Louisiana while Bama hasn't been.


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Drizzt
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re: Bama development of LA signees
Shyheim Carter was not a good college player. Accept it.


whoyodaddy
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Member since Nov 2011
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re: Bama development of LA signees
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Shyheim Carter was not a good college player. Accept it.


Like those other LA 4* players at UA, sitting the bench for 3 years harms their development. Of the 26 players from LA who committed to UA under Saban, 88% were 4*or better. Yet, only 25% of those achieved success as a Bama college player and 8% got to the NFL long enough to get a pension-if you call that success. This is absolutely poor and is absolutely well below the college sport success level achieved by other 4* at other schools. While I certainly appreciate that success in college can be measured in other non-sport metrics (Eg academics), I doubt that most of these players had that as an accompanying aspiration. The pre-NFL draft Wonderlic scores by Tua and Jeudy might support this. As a father of a D1 player who achieved success in both his sport as well as academically, I for one would be extremely wary of allowing my highly ranked son to attend a university where his chances of developing into a successful college player drop to 1 in 4, unless the academics can offset that handicap.
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thunderbird1100
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re: Bama development of LA signees
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Shyheim Carter was not a good college player. Accept it.


He was one of the better slot nickelbacks in the SEC, wasn't NFL material but got graded out pretty dang well overall. In 2018 he was much better than 2019. I nfact he was one of the highest graded DBs overall from 2018.
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whoyodaddy
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better slot nickelbacks in the SEC


Except against the only two decent teams UA played this year. He was absolutely EMBARRASSED against LSU and Auburn.


Drizzt
LSU Fan
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re: Bama development of LA signees
Yep, I definitely want the guy who was good last year but not this year. Winning argument there chief.


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Howyouluhdat
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re: Bama development of LA signees
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He was absolutely EMBARRASSED against LSU and Auburn.


Feel free to let us know what his grades/stats were in those games.



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cajdav1
LSU Fan
NOLA
Member since Feb 2004
1899 posts

re: Bama development of LA signees
To be honest, CHAVIS had a very hard time evaluating his own linebackers while he was at LSU. Kwon, Deon and Beckwith were proof of that. Also Kwon lost playing time do to injury that stunted his growth.


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cajdav1
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re: Bama development of LA signees
One of my best friends signed with the Tide out of Jesuit in the 70’s. He was on a swimming scholarship ??


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DesMoinesTiger
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Ankeny
Member since Sep 2014
17 posts

re: Bama development of LA signees
I don't think the lack of the development will deter these guys from going there as much as Ed O committing to locking down our back yard. One of his big goals early on was making it a point to keep these guys instate.


timm6971463
LSU Fan
oakdale la
Member since Mar 2008
4226 posts

re: Bama development of LA signees
those names only ring a bell to me because you mention them , I like most people remember the players I was a fan of and any bama recruits don't make it there for me !


whoyodaddy
LSU Fan
Ono Island
Member since Nov 2011
420 posts

re: Bama development of LA signees
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I don't think the lack of the development will deter these guys from going there as much as Ed O committing to locking down our back yard. One of his big goals early on was making it a point to keep these guys instate.


From a college's perspective, getting as many good ones as possible makes sense- especially if you can keep them from going to a rival. However, from the perspective of a top quality player and his family, it makes sense to avoid situations that might lead to failure, as in the case of 4* LA players attending Alabama -especially if other lesser schools offered better possibilities of success.


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Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
249344 posts

re: Bama development of LA signees
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as Ed O committing to locking down our back yard



The 5 LA kids that O got last year was the lowest amount of in-state kids signed in 51years. Probably longer. The database i looked at ended in 1969.


This year there are more talented kids than last, but even so it doesn't look like they've been made a priority. The infatuation with out of state kids has gotten kind of weird.


Chalkywhite84
New Orleans Saints Fan
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
5258 posts

re: Bama development of LA signees
Is this your new thing?

O isn't signing louisiana kids

Why can't it be that he is just going after the elite ones


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