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re: Alabama recruiting question
Posted on 12/28/20 at 8:19 am to GetmorewithLes
Posted on 12/28/20 at 8:19 am to GetmorewithLes
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You cant do that any more. You cannot backcount past one year.
You never could literally count back multiple years, but the way it works it's the same thing as. If you can't figure this out, I'll provide a very explicit example.
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Posted on 12/28/20 at 10:58 am to TDcline
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More importantly, how are they absolutely never investigated?
It's complete bullshite is what it is! Yes Saban is a great coach and a very good recruiter but basically 10 or 12 straight #1 classes good is complete fricking bullshite! The NCAA knows it, we all know it yet nothing will ever be done as long as Saban is there and Emmert is leading the NCAA!
Posted on 12/28/20 at 1:27 pm to UCONNLU
They get up to 30 per year while everyone else gets 25. the more NC you win the more you can sign. And they dont want Saban to retire so they do what they can to keep him. At least that is what I have heard
Posted on 12/28/20 at 1:51 pm to buckRogers
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They are the only program where this issue commonly comes up. But the NCAA has let this get too far out of hand. You just can’t call them on it now that they mean so much to college football as a brand. As soon as Saban leaves it will all come out (so far as necessary to carve out everything they’ve done that shouldn’t be allowed going forward), but as long as they’re on top like this, it just can’t realistically be touched.
And yet, they continue to get these players and the scorned one's aren't speaking up.
Saban controls that machine
Posted on 12/28/20 at 4:11 pm to UCONNLU
Convince someone to Greyshirt and that free’s up a scholarship. With the Greyshirt they only have to pay out of pocket (wink,wink) until midterm
Posted on 12/30/20 at 9:17 am to Indiana Tiger
Our pinned recruiting thread's first-page posts thoroughly document how all players (2018-21) count toward the annual 25 signings and initial counters and 85 total counters limits. Pertinent NCAA Bylaws and explanations are included.
Ya'll are welcome to read it.
Ya'll are welcome to read it. Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:06 am to TidalSurge1
Thank you for the info and the great news! If "... might also be able to utilize voluntary withdrawal replacement scholarships, which don't count toward annual 25 limits, only the 85 total limit...." is correct, LSU could sign at least 35 for the 2021 recruiting cycle.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 10:49 am to geauxGreeks
Voluntary withdrawal replacement scholarships can't be immediately provided to new incoming recruits or transfers. To be eligible for one the player can't sign an NLI and must initially enroll as a walkon paying his own way. Also, to avoid having to be a walkon for a full year to be eligible, the player he's replacing must have voluntarily withdrawn before the prior fall term classes and FB season (additional explanation). UA utilized one in the 2018 cycle and two in the 2019 cycle.
This post was edited on 12/30/20 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:03 am to geauxGreeks
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Thank you for the info and the great news! If "... might also be able to utilize voluntary withdrawal replacement scholarships, which don't count toward annual 25 limits, only the 85 total limit...." is correct, LSU could sign at least 35 for the 2021 recruiting cycle.
LSU would be permitted, perhaps, but no, LSU could not sign 35 quality recruits. In fact, LSU cannot even sign 25 quality recruits. Every year we fall short of the 25 limit because we just can’t convince enough kids to come here.
The big story regarding Saban oversigning is not the legerdemain, it is his ability to convince that many quality recruits. On top of that, it’s amazing that he can convince guys like Najee Harris and Devonta Smith - both first round draft choices last year - to spurn millions of dollars to stay another year.
We all know how Saban does it; he is paying them. We are all paying them, but Saban has figured out ways to pay them much more. That’s what makes Saban great - he is good at everything. And he figures out what is the critical thing, and beats everyone else at that thing.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:10 am to Penrod
Sorry about my snark with the comment about signing 35 recruits.
Posted on 12/30/20 at 11:49 am to TidalSurge1
Yep. Saban is frankly just smarter and more deliberate. He used gray shirts while at LSU too. He’s a whole different level.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:18 am to bamalee
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Dude, greyshirts still happen, they delay enrolling in school until the dec. of 2021 or they pay their own way until then. Happens all the time, they look for kids who will do this, big dogs walk late and you always want a few extra at the end. I mean some act like LSU has never greyshirted or blueshirted a kid. Or a kid did not delay enrollment... Give me a break
Saban knows how to work the system and he did it very well while at LSU, his process and program ideology is the best, hes proved it, Dabo has incorporated it and many others are trying to catch up....I like our chances to get the best and manage them just fine.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 2:51 pm to UCONNLU
Bama cheats always has always will to win football games. They are allowed to get away it. But LSU gets screwed
Posted on 2/1/21 at 4:17 pm to Penrod
What honestly needs to happen to end this crap is the NCAA needs to change the rule. If you were ever recruited in any way by a university, then you are a counter for that year if you attend that university. End the grey shirt BS and preferred walk-on BS.
You can only take 25 players per year, and if you ever recruited a kid, you lose a spot if they ever are a part of your team. Plain and simple.
Instead, they allow all this convoluted garbage to be manipulated by lots of teams, and it is pathetic. It's one of the real reasons there is no parity in college.
I am actually fine with them dropping the per year signees to 20 and overall scholarships to 80.
You can only take 25 players per year, and if you ever recruited a kid, you lose a spot if they ever are a part of your team. Plain and simple.
Instead, they allow all this convoluted garbage to be manipulated by lots of teams, and it is pathetic. It's one of the real reasons there is no parity in college.
I am actually fine with them dropping the per year signees to 20 and overall scholarships to 80.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 4:47 pm to Geauxgurt
Isn't this actually the rule now? I seem to remember reading that if a school recruits a player and he winds up on their roster the next year, he counts against their scholarship numbers. Prevents a school recruiting a player and then giving him an academic scholarship to get around the numbers.
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that somewhere. Anybody else remember this, or has my old mind gone around the bend?
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading that somewhere. Anybody else remember this, or has my old mind gone around the bend?
Posted on 2/1/21 at 5:17 pm to BillF
Yep. Some coaches and ADs need to nut the frick up and push to end this bullshite. That’s what the 25 restriction was supposed to do. Cap Gray and /or Blueshirts at 1 per year with no exceptions, This, 1 PWO per year and the 25. That’s it. Anyone else is a pure walk-on and can’t be on scholarship for 2 full years.
If they really want to get ballsy- end back counting. Use your 25 on recruits or guys in the portal in the calendar year or lose the spots. No more loopholes.
The only exceptions to this should be the option to bring in a transfer or two to replace guys who may leave via the portal. For instance, for every 2 of 3 guys you lose, you can take an extra guy in from the portal, grad transfer or JUCO. This wouldn’t add extra recruiting spots.
If they really want to get ballsy- end back counting. Use your 25 on recruits or guys in the portal in the calendar year or lose the spots. No more loopholes.
The only exceptions to this should be the option to bring in a transfer or two to replace guys who may leave via the portal. For instance, for every 2 of 3 guys you lose, you can take an extra guy in from the portal, grad transfer or JUCO. This wouldn’t add extra recruiting spots.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 7:49 pm to geauxGreeks
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... 25 signed, one committed, and they are still recruiting LINK / what am i missing here
Something f’d up is going on...aiight?
Posted on 2/1/21 at 8:11 pm to GetmorewithLes
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You cannot backcount past one year.
Cmon bro... figure it out. They aren’t literally carrying a scholly from 2012 to 2019 as you seem to be implying. Indy is saying they successively pass it year by year, as long as the balance is still in their favor.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:41 pm to tigersbb
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Once a recruit is signed he counts against your limit whether he qualifies or not.
There is no such thing as a gray shirt. Until that player is enrolled or on scholarship he has no formal place within the program. He is just a high school graduate who has delayed entry into college.
He cannot enroll in the spring on a " borrowed " scholarship from next year's class.
I found the LSU compliance guy.
Posted on 2/1/21 at 11:05 pm to rsylve
Saban seems to use this loophole every year and get away with it.
I feel like Alabama is allowed to sign 26 or 27 each year and everybody else can only sign 25.
I feel like Alabama is allowed to sign 26 or 27 each year and everybody else can only sign 25.
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