re: Alabama Numbers?

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tons of college coaches have to pull offers... the problem is how many... I haven't grinded tide numbers

it seems right now coach miles is being careful with regard to the defensive back moore from california WHILE many a coach would sign the recruit ASAP

I think, mostly, saban is fair but if he has to pull a schollie or two from an underperforming tide player... it is simply necessary

the fact is he seems to be making offers to 2010 louisiana recruits that miles is making no rush to claim... all for the sake of establishing a toe-hold

I like saban, the tide and tuscaloosa in theory... in practice not so much

we, LSU, need to take care of our business... and both tigerland and rammer jammer will be national powerhouses... just because saban sneezes tigerland shouldn't catch cold

as I said - we'll see if tuscaloosa and the tide require a 'market correction'

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You guys signed 32 last year.

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I think they had 4 of those that will never play another down of football in their life because they are playing professional baseball (Destin Hood, Melvin Ray, etc).

They also has 2 (I think) that academically did not qualify.

That cuts the 32 down to around 26 which is a reasonable number to actually make work.

Eddie Lacy will be a sign and place, Greg Reid is an FSU lean now from what I have read/remember, and RR is a LSU lean now. That takes care of 3 from the list of 12. More than likely, the other 9 will not want to commit/be allowed to commit so lets say BAMA only takes 7 out of the remaining 9 (seems very reasonable).

Add the 7 to the 21 current commits and you are at 28. Again, they can make it work.

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As far as cutting the scholarships of the older players to make room for the younger "cream of the crop" guys, I think there are two ways to approach the situation.

Is a scholarship a year-by-year agreement, or a 4-year deal? I tend to think of it as a 4 year agreement, but this is more of an ethical question than anything else. Some view scholarships as a yearly thing that can be revoked due to poor performance (aka BAMA).

At the same time, do not fool yourself into thinking that LSU has never "urged" a guy to transfer if they knew he was locking up a scholarship that could be used better elsewhere. LSU may not flat out say "we have revoked your scholarship," but "recommended attrition" is not out of the question.

(Do not put your purple and gold glasses on and think LSU does not do bad/NCAA illegal actions in athletics -- It happens in every program including this one -- deal with it).

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So there is my explanation. It is a very logical course of events for BAMA to find room for their guys, and it is not unrealistic for them to do so.

I rather the approach Miles generally takes, but it does not mean it is the only way of doing so. Both programs are successful at their own method of recruiting and I will not judge another program when I do not know all the details that go on behind the scenes at my own program.

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what what?

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in tha butt

You can only take 25 in any one class no matter how many you sign which is why the recruiting services only count the Top 25 for ranking purposes. Only 23 counted last year which is why a couple that enrolled in January are part of last years class. Which means that can actually sign 27 this year. If they sign 29...that means at least 2 don't get in this class because of the 25 limit.

As far as the link with players that are leaving by year...it includes scholarship players and non scholarship players.

As far as the limit of 85...Saban has a few punters, kickers, and others that were walk ons that were currently given a scholarship for one year because they had a few left over last year. If they sign too many, the guys that were walk ons that got a free scholarship for a year will lose that scholarship after having it for one year. If I was walking on, I am sure I would rather have 1 year of a full ride than no years with a full ride regardless of whether I lost it sometime in the future. I hope that answers the majority of the questions.

This years number was supposed to be 28. The guys who were saying this originally weren't including Petey Smith or Eddie Lacy.
Lacy wont count b/c he looks like prep or Juco
Im sure several on this years class wont qualify. Last year only 23 enrolled. Jermaine Preyear and James Carpenter('09 commit) will count back to fill those two available spots.

With carpenter subtracted from the 28/29 of this years class that will leave like 3 guys who won't fit in this years class. those 3 will come from kids like Woodson,Bowman,Sentimore,Steen,west, and there are even rumors that Massie won't make it. there could be others but that off the top of my head.

I think there is something like 11/12 available spots on the team and Coffee leaving will make like 12 or 13. regardless of the actual number, there are going to be a lot of players leaving the team in the off season.

I really don't have much of a problem with it. Its not like the kids are getting kicked out of school. If saban doesn't think they are good enough to be in his top 85, i doubt they would ever be seeing the field anyway. They will either transfer to a smaller school or will stay in school off the football team and finish their degree "thats what they are supposed to be here for anyway"

and to the bama guy talking about how many recruits count in your rankings- Only the top 20 count for rivals

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then not much of anything after they got raped by UF..

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Your right 51-21 was a raping..Oh wait...you weren't talking about LSU....my bad..sorry for the memory.

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That way I can sexually abuse you later.

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You give new meaning to the word Flaming

Assume you start with zero "open" spots during last year
Assume 9 player graduate or leave early
Assume you have two players coming in from last class

Based on this, you now have 7 open spots for 2009 class

Talk me through the rest, assuming 27 signees on Feb 4