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re: 2021 4* wr Brian Thomas Jr has LSU in his top 4
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:14 am to AncientMarsupial3
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:14 am to AncientMarsupial3
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Players from the 2018 class aren’t eligible yet but you do you. That graphic is updated for the 2020 draft already.
It's 1 draft out of about 10 that make up that stat, it's irrelevant now which is the whole point people are making. You think current recruits care what happened 10 years ago, or this past season more?
Dumb things like that chart are just for morons to argue over on message boards. It's pretty irrelevant when you try to justify recruits picking schools based on a stat looking back at 10 years of only 5 star kids, hell, we only had a small amount during that time anyways (which makes the stat pretty worthless from the start, 17 over 10 seasons? who cares to make stats up on that?), yet still ended up tying the record for most draft picks and having 5 first rounders this year. How much did all those 5 stars help Bama this past year over us? Oh, wait.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 8:16 am
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Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:18 am to thunderbird1100
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It's 1 draft out of about 10 that make up that stat, it's irrelevant now which is the whole point people are making. You think current recruits care what happened 10 years ago, or this past season more?
It’s a very good stat that measures talent development. Multiple programs put a higher percentage of 5 stars in the first round and the league than LSU. It’s pretty obvious that recruits do care.
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Dumb things like that chart are just for morons to argue over on message boards. It's pretty irrelevant when you try to justify recruits picking schools based on a stat looking back at 10 years of only 5 star kids, hell, we only had a small amount during that time anyways (which makes the stat pretty worthless from the start), yet still ended up tying the record for most draft picks and having 5 first rounders this year. How much did all those 5 stars help Bama this past year over us? Oh, wait.
You’re missing the point. This is about talent development, not about who wins on the field, which is Bama btw. They’ve clearly been better at developing talent, which gives them an edge over LSU.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 8:19 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:31 am to AncientMarsupial3
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It’s a very good stat that measures talent development. Multiple programs put a higher percentage of 5 stars in the first round and the league than
Again entirely irrelevant, it's looking at 17 of our players over TEN years, that's a ridiculously tiny metric to make any useful stats on. 1.7 players per YEAR we averaged over that time frame for 5-stars. It's a dumb pointless way to measure anything of merit when there's so few inputs into it.
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You’re missing the point
No, you just dont understand how much this dumb chart doesnt matter at all, especially relating to where every recruit is looking to pick these days. Recruits arent going "man I really wonder the performance of 5-stars these schools have had the last 10 years putting them into the NFL". Including mostly from a bunch of coaching staff who no longer even works at those schools any more. I mean really?
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This is about talent development
We just put 14 players in the NFL draft (tied for most ever) including 5 in the 1st round. Alabama has never put more than 12 into 1 draft and never more than 4 first rounders, either. I'd say LSU currently has the talent development angle working in our favor now. But hey, I guess once again you can just fall back on some chart about a few 5-stars maybe 1 actual recruit could give a crap about.
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not about who wins on the field, which is Bama btw.
Guess you missed 46-41, and our national title just now, sorry. We got you on the field, we got you in the draft, everything is trending in our direction now, this isn't Les Miles era anymore, sorry. Recruits care about what's going on NOW, not 5, not 8, not 10 years ago.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:34 am to AncientMarsupial3
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This is about talent development, not about who wins on the field, which is Bama btw. They’ve clearly been better at developing talent, which gives them an edge over LSU.
This is about LOUISIANA talent development. Now do a graphic on the Louisiana talent that has went to Bama and was developed and under developed.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:36 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:42 am to TeamLSU
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This is about LOUISIANA talent development. Now do a graphic on the Louisiana talent that has went to Bama and was developed and under developed.
Who cares? I’m not just talking about Alabama. Multiple schools develop talent better than LSU
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:48 am to AncientMarsupial3
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Who cares? I’m not just talking about Alabama. Multiple schools develop talent better than LSU
Oh you won't be here much longer
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:53 am to AncientMarsupial3
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Who cares? I’m not just talking about Alabama. Multiple schools develop talent better than LSU
It's pretty funny you're continuously ignoring the fact that LSU just tied the record for the most draft picks ever and put 5 into the 1st round which is more than Saban has ever done. Maybe you need to be joining current reality and not ancient history?
But again, hey, you hang on to some irrelevant stat about a few 5-stars over a 10 year period like it matters to recruits right now
I'm sure Brian Thomas Jr. is looking back at those 5-stars we had in 2009 class like Russell Shepard and going "man I'm not going to LSU because Les Miles and staff couldn't develop 5-star Russell Shepard into a 1st round (or any round) draft pick 8 years ago"
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:57 am to AncientMarsupial3
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Who cares? I’m not just talking about Alabama. Multiple schools develop talent better than LSU
Clyde Helaire - 3 star drafted
Justin Jefferson - 3 star and 2 star drafted
Lloyd Cushenberry - 3 star drafted
Joe F Burrow - 3rd string Qb Ohio St - no.1 pick
Your argument is BS. LSU has developed more lower rank talent over the years than any other SEC school especially Bama and it’s not even close.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:59 am to G- Man
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Your argument is BS. LSU has developed more lower rank talent over the years than any other SEC school especially Bama and it’s not even close.
Is BTJ a lower ranked talent?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:03 am to thunderbird1100
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I'm sure Brian Thomas Jr. is looking back at those 5-stars we had in 2009 class like Russell Shepard and going "man I'm not going to LSU because Les Miles and staff couldn't develop 5-star Russell Shepard into a 1st round (or any round) draft pick 8 years ago"
Bama’s most recent draft eligible class (2017)
#21 Jerry Jeudy (First Round)
#62 DeVonta Smith (Projected First Round)
#75 Henry Ruggs III (First Round)
#88 Tyrell Shavers (returned to school)
I’m sure he’s looking at this tho
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:06 am to tigersbb
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Here we go. Never happens.
Jordan Toles, incoming safety signee is playing both.
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Toles, who was recruited to LSU by safeties coach Bill Busch, will play both football and basketball for the Tigers, choosing to sign with Ed Orgeron and Co., but also suit up for Will Wade and his staff on the hardwood.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:06 am to AncientMarsupial3
4/5 of LSU's 1st RD draft picks were rated .9003(Burrow) or lower. That's a pretty amazing development stat.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:07 am to AncientMarsupial3
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#88 Tyrell Shavers (returned to school)
Does Bama even use bigger WRs any more or is it just a bunch of small speedy guys? Another nice selling point for us over Bama. Go to bama where you'll catch 1 pass in 3 years like Tyrell Shavers since they dont want to use big WRs any more, or come to LSU and replace 1st round draft pick Terrace Marshall who is the exact same size as you.
He'll be looking at that, for sure.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:13 am to thunderbird1100
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Does Bama even use bigger WRs any more or is it just a bunch of small speedy guys? Another nice selling point for us over Bama. Go to bama where you'll catch 1 pass in 3 years like Tyrell Shavers since they dont want to use big WRs any more, or come to LSU and replace 1st round draft pick Terrace Marshall who is the exact same size as you.
They seem to be trending more towards bigger receivers with Agiye Hall and Jacorey Brooks already committed.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:14 am to AncientMarsupial3
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Is BTJ a lower ranked talent?
Your fake argument was that Bama and others develops talent better than Lsu, which is absolute garbage. LSU takes lower recruits and develops them into households names. Morris Claiborne/ Honey Badger were all developed at LSU but didn’t get offers from Bama because their rankings were to low. They both kicked Bama’s arse on the field! GtfoohwtBS!
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 9:19 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:14 am to AncientMarsupial3
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They seem to be trending more towards bigger receivers with Agiye Hall and Jacorey Brooks already committed.
Go to Bama and get stuck behind some other highly rated guys who also wont be catching the ball much since Bama doesnt want to use Big WRs anymore like highly rated Tyrell Shavers.
Solid selling point.
I did get a solid chuckle out of "#88 overall player Tyrell Shavers - returned to school" who has a whopping 1 catch in 3 years at Bama in a thread arguing about talent development though
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 9:20 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:22 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:29 am to AncientMarsupial3
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AncientMarsupial3
Hey Ancient, would you add the Bama designation on "favorite team" on your profile?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:52 am to The Pirate King
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Jordan Toles, incoming safety signee is playing both.
Yeah, this pops up every few years:
Michael Clayto
Marcus Spears
Corey Webster
Ronald Martin
How many of those panned out?
Lets book mark for February 1 and see if Toles is on the basketball roster. Which one of the 13 star studded players on Wade's roster is he going to supplant after a few weeks of practice. Sure, he was told he could play both sports, but reality will set in. It always does.
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