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re: 2012 PF Ricardo Gathers commits to Baylor
Posted on 2/6/12 at 9:55 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 2/6/12 at 9:55 pm to saintsfan22
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Since we have Stringer playing 2 right now maybe its just a matter of evaluation. Plus we're playing with 3 guards a lot anyway so it's not like another one would be overkill. Granted Trent couldn't forecast Dotson's transfer but still.
Yeah, I can't disagree at this stage that some of the evaluations may have been better to go in another direction. Galloway mainly, even though it's an A-10 school, he's been good. But Ok St. is pretty bad this year, but maybe they could have helped.
I'm pretty bummed about the Gathers stuff. Didn't care about Felix, just because Hickey has been such a bright spot. But Gathers is a bit of a killer.
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Posted on 2/6/12 at 9:56 pm to ItsThatDude12
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A team full of warrens,hickeys,and hamiltons get you ano avg to bad SEC team.
A team of Warrens, Hickeys, and Hamiltons will get you the 4th best team in the SEC, probably. Unfortunately, those are our best players and the second tier guys are nowhere near as good.
Malcolm White has completely regressed, Ludwig is very limited, and Courtney is even more limited.
I dont see Gathers as an instant superstar. But he would have come in, played 20 minutes a game and scored 8 points and gotten 6 boards as a freshman. That is very good and just what this team needed. A player who can will Storm Warren's position and be a big SF for a few minutes a game alongside O'Bryant and Hamilton.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 10:05 pm to kadillak
I think the Acy projection is a very fair one. And as odd as this sounds, I think he'll have an easier time cracking the Baylor line-up than the LSU line-up.
At LSU, I think he would have been behind O'Bryant and Hamilton. At Baylor, I think he could start at PF, alongside Austin at center, Heslip at SG, and Pierre Jackson at the point. Next year could be a bit tough with the Bears losing, A Jones, P Jones, Miller, and Acy, but it's great for Gathers because those are all the guys who he would battle for playing time. And J'Mison Morgan is possibly the worst 5 star in the history of Rivals/Scout.
At LSU, I think he would have been behind O'Bryant and Hamilton. At Baylor, I think he could start at PF, alongside Austin at center, Heslip at SG, and Pierre Jackson at the point. Next year could be a bit tough with the Bears losing, A Jones, P Jones, Miller, and Acy, but it's great for Gathers because those are all the guys who he would battle for playing time. And J'Mison Morgan is possibly the worst 5 star in the history of Rivals/Scout.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 10:27 pm to Keys Open Doors
Regressed? When was Malcolm White considered good?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 10:35 pm to Section225
Yo can say he has done a bad job here, but his resume says he is far from a horrible coach
Posted on 2/6/12 at 10:40 pm to BilJ
WWL talked about how Gathers' brother said he could play the 4 at Baylor and not have to worry about playing the 5. Was that Drew's negative recruiting angle? That we were going to make him play the 5. I can't think of anyone in the country who would tell him to play center so that's a really odd comment.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 10:48 pm to josh336
Trents SEC record speaks for itself.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 10:50 pm to Keys Open Doors
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A player who can will Storm Warren's position and be a big SF for a few minutes a game alongside O'Bryant and Hamilton.
considering that talk over the summer of him wanting to play the 3 i was thinking they'd be selling him on this somewhat.
i guess our attention turns to javy sanchez?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 10:53 pm to S
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i guess our attention turns to javy sanchez?
huh?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 10:54 pm to BilJ
Coming into LSU from Ole Miss, White was considered a promising 4/5. He had pretty solid numbers as a sophomore. He's putting up the worst numbers of his career as a senior, kind of like Dameon Mason.
S, I think Gathers has realized he is a 4 over the past year. One of the guys on the Duke Scout site is from New Orleans, and he taped significant portions of a couple of Gathers's games. I really don't know how the hell he could pull off being a 3 next year based on the videos he posted.
S, I think Gathers has realized he is a 4 over the past year. One of the guys on the Duke Scout site is from New Orleans, and he taped significant portions of a couple of Gathers's games. I really don't know how the hell he could pull off being a 3 next year based on the videos he posted.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:01 pm to josh336
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Yo can say he has done a bad job here, but his resume says he is far from a horrible coach
You are what your record says you are, and it says Johnson is an absolute embarassment and failure at LSU. It's completely putrid, only eclipsed by his terrible recruiting and abysmal offensive gameplans. I have a hard time understanding why so many people are content with being a horrible to mediocre program. I bet some of yall were wishing Curly would get one more year in 94.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:04 pm to Keys Open Doors
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I think the Acy projection is a very fair one. And as odd as this sounds, I think he'll have an easier time cracking the Baylor line-up than the LSU line-up.
At LSU, I think he would have been behind O'Bryant and Hamilton. At Baylor, I think he could start at PF, alongside Austin at center, Heslip at SG, and Pierre Jackson at the point. Next year could be a bit tough with the Bears losing, A Jones, P Jones, Miller, and Acy, but it's great for Gathers because those are all the guys who he would battle for playing time. And J'Mison Morgan is possibly the worst 5 star in the history of Rivals/Scout.
I don't see Gathers starting over Austin and Jefferson. I think he'll definitely start off on the bench, and if Jefferson disappoints, then Gathers will slide in for him. I know Miller already had the ACL injury, but I would be kind of shocked if he left at this rate, though a good tourney changes that. Morgan isn't spectacular, but he'll be asked to just do what Jefferson has done this season. Solid role player, IMO.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:05 pm to Elleshoe
i mean orlando*
and yeah, never saw him as a 3 at all. he''ll be a nice fit for what they do though.
and yeah, never saw him as a 3 at all. he''ll be a nice fit for what they do though.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:05 pm to TJG210
Trent is obviously not a moron, but he isn't a great coach. He ultimately built a solid program at Nevada, but it took some time, and after his first truly impressive year, he left.
At Stanford, he only one great year, and he inherited a very successful program from Montgomery and lucked into 7 foot twins who he didn't really have to recruit.
At Stanford, he only one great year, and he inherited a very successful program from Montgomery and lucked into 7 foot twins who he didn't really have to recruit.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:06 pm to Keys Open Doors
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I really don't know how the hell he could pull off being a 3 next year based on the videos he posted.
Agreed.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:09 pm to kadillak
I've said it before. I agree with you that Miller should stay another year. However, due to his shitty financial situation, I see him leaving with a first round guarantee even if he could be top 5 in 2013.
So that leaves Baylor with a lot of depth at 1 and 2, but not much with their bigs. All of their good guys are leaving (besides maybe Miller). Two of Jefferson, Gathers, and Austin will start at 4 and 5. I think you're going with Jefferson and Austin, while I am saying Gathers and Austin. Either way, the third guy will be a solid contributor.
1 and 2 will be really crowded spots. Rose, Jackson, Walton at 1. Quddus Bello, Gary Franklin Jr and Heslip at 2. It's an ideal situation for a big man.
So that leaves Baylor with a lot of depth at 1 and 2, but not much with their bigs. All of their good guys are leaving (besides maybe Miller). Two of Jefferson, Gathers, and Austin will start at 4 and 5. I think you're going with Jefferson and Austin, while I am saying Gathers and Austin. Either way, the third guy will be a solid contributor.
1 and 2 will be really crowded spots. Rose, Jackson, Walton at 1. Quddus Bello, Gary Franklin Jr and Heslip at 2. It's an ideal situation for a big man.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:12 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Trent is obviously not a moron, but he isn't a great coach.
Why settle?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:15 pm to TJG210
We shouldn't. Depending on this year's finish, he should either be let go or told he has one more year to make the NCAA tournament.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:16 pm to Keys Open Doors
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I've said it before. I agree with you that Miller should stay another year. However, due to his shitty financial situation, I see him leaving with a first round guarantee even if he could be top 5 in 2013.
What's the bolded part all about? Not questioning you, just want to know more.
I agree. Even if Gathers is as far back as the 4th big man, he'll get plenty of PT with how Drew substitutes.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 11:23 pm to kadillak
I think he lived in a bad part of Chicago with 10-12 family members and asked if he could move to North Carolina with a relative or family friend. Something like that. That's why he ended up at QUality Education, a basketball factory, but he eventually transferred to Bello's high school, which is very legitimate.
I don't know how much of it is spin and how much of it is reality, but the Duke Scout guys always said one reason why Miller liked Baylor more was because he would get more of an opportunity to be "the man" from day one, especially after Rivers committed. I don't think anyone expected Perry to stay for year 2.
I don't know how much of it is spin and how much of it is reality, but the Duke Scout guys always said one reason why Miller liked Baylor more was because he would get more of an opportunity to be "the man" from day one, especially after Rivers committed. I don't think anyone expected Perry to stay for year 2.
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