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Posted on 1/23/14 at 3:18 pm to AlaTiger
1/2....the day the ride died
Posted on 1/23/14 at 5:40 pm to AlaTiger
no offense but since the coaches don't share the REAL story with the public, the public just tends to make shite up. people are convinced these kids lied to the coaching staff and it's just the La kids and it's just this year, yada, yada, yada.
and half of the top LA kids are not playing for bama. this year there was an unusually large amount of 5 star players in La and the schools have been all over them for years; bama, florida, a&m, ucla and many, many more. we lost collins last yr and cam this year. brown is not from la. florida and aggy got the one's i wanted.
get your facts straight.
and half of the top LA kids are not playing for bama. this year there was an unusually large amount of 5 star players in La and the schools have been all over them for years; bama, florida, a&m, ucla and many, many more. we lost collins last yr and cam this year. brown is not from la. florida and aggy got the one's i wanted.
get your facts straight.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 6:13 pm to AlaTiger
I am not really sure that the coaches can plan for deception.
If Willis, Speedy, and Brown actually told the coaches they were coming, and to hold a spot, only to commit elsewhere at the Under Armour game, it is hard to know how to prevent that. The coaches have to take the players at their word a lot in recruiting.
There is really no reason for any of the three to be spiteful towards LSU (Willis because of his brother, maybe). Not sure if anyone put them up to it or not, but it is certainly a punk move.
One thing is for sure, they are Tigerbait for the rest of their lives.
If Willis, Speedy, and Brown actually told the coaches they were coming, and to hold a spot, only to commit elsewhere at the Under Armour game, it is hard to know how to prevent that. The coaches have to take the players at their word a lot in recruiting.
There is really no reason for any of the three to be spiteful towards LSU (Willis because of his brother, maybe). Not sure if anyone put them up to it or not, but it is certainly a punk move.
One thing is for sure, they are Tigerbait for the rest of their lives.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 6:27 pm to AlaTiger
kids want attention. Dissing their home state school after building expectations that they would come to LSU is a way to get attention. Doing so on ESPN on National TV is another way to do so. Showing the world that they are "Saban-worthy" is another way to get attention.
They are talented kids who are also attention whores.
In addition, you can't blame a kid for being lured to play for who is arguably the best coach at what he does in the entire world.
Meanwhile, Miles is a GREAT recruiter, but Saban had more cache, so it feeds the attention whore situation.
That about sums it up.
They are talented kids who are also attention whores.
In addition, you can't blame a kid for being lured to play for who is arguably the best coach at what he does in the entire world.
Meanwhile, Miles is a GREAT recruiter, but Saban had more cache, so it feeds the attention whore situation.
That about sums it up.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:05 pm to AlaTiger
I went back in my text messages and found this from 1/2 an hour and a half before the game, sent to me by the Dad of one of our commits playing in the UAAAG:
quote:
"Yeah these kids are really playing the system. Tony ' s coach told me last night that he thinks the kid is all LSU and an LSU coach said the same."
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:15 pm to BasilBogomil
quote:
If Willis, Speedy, and Brown actually told the coaches they were coming, and to hold a spot, only to commit elsewhere at the Under Armour game, it is hard to know how to prevent that
If this happened, then that's on the staff. You almost never let them dictate their recruitment like this. Not saying never, but almost never. IMO LF was the only one worthy of this treatment, and knowing his character now, he would not have done that on his own volition. I can guarantee that Saban isn't holding spots for anyone. You court them, but at the end of the day the adults need to act like adults.
I've done a little reasearch, and have noted that our best classes are classes that include recruits from 10+ states. I don't know if there is any correlation between this and the amount of in-state talent that we have from year to year, but it's interesting. I believe the 09 class had recruits from 15 states or so. This definitely drives home the point that focusing the efforts on a national scale is the way to go.
I don't want to say that LSU did anything wrong this cycle. We will still end up with a great class. I just think that 1/2 presented an opportunity for the staff to learn something and apply it for future cycles.
As far as in-state talent goes, I really believe that there is a limit we reach in regards to time:benefit. At some point it won't matter how much more time you put into recruiting those guys, it won't make a difference. They'll either come to LSU at that point or they won't. Perhaps we gave guys like Speedy/GW too much of the staff's time. That's time that can go into recruiting some OOS guys that we may not be giving enough time to. It's up to the staff to determine what that balance is.
That is unless we think that the staff did as well as they could possibly have done this cycle. I personally think there is always room for improvement.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 12:20 pm to Goldrush25
I wonder if, after recruiting these kids for a few years, the luster of LSU just wore off with them? Familiarity bred meh, perhaps?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:13 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
I think that they saw LSU as the floor of their potential and anyone else was the shiny new toy that validated them as athletes and superstars. I think they thought, "Hey, any decent 4 star from Louisiana can go to LSU, but I am freaking ______ and I just got an offer from Saban (or Florida or Sumlin and his helicopter)."
So, to fit their expanded view of themselves, it is now beneath them to go to LSU where guys who are not as good as them can go. But, a Louisiana kid going to Alabama to play for the mighty Saban? That cements them as a legend in their own minds.
That is a big part of it. Miles is the wife and Saban is the beautiful younger woman who is showing them attention.
At the end of the day, the guys who are solid and strong workers will be the ones who excel at LSU. How many Louisiana guys really do well when they go out of state? The reason for it is because of the attitude that they exhibit toward themselves and others.
Denzall Devall is the exception and he was up front all along and went to Alabama because they play a 3-4. I have respect for him.
So, to fit their expanded view of themselves, it is now beneath them to go to LSU where guys who are not as good as them can go. But, a Louisiana kid going to Alabama to play for the mighty Saban? That cements them as a legend in their own minds.
That is a big part of it. Miles is the wife and Saban is the beautiful younger woman who is showing them attention.
At the end of the day, the guys who are solid and strong workers will be the ones who excel at LSU. How many Louisiana guys really do well when they go out of state? The reason for it is because of the attitude that they exhibit toward themselves and others.
Denzall Devall is the exception and he was up front all along and went to Alabama because they play a 3-4. I have respect for him.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:21 pm to AlaTiger
People are missing half the problem, sure we lost Jones and Robinson to Bama, but we didn't lose Willis or Noil to Bama.
Both guys went to teams we beat this year, one to a team we beat for three straight years.
It is an oversimplification to say this is a Saban v LSU problem because it wasn't just about Alabama and LSU.
Both guys went to teams we beat this year, one to a team we beat for three straight years.
It is an oversimplification to say this is a Saban v LSU problem because it wasn't just about Alabama and LSU.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:43 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
I think that they saw LSU as the floor of their potential and anyone else was the shiny new toy that validated them as athletes and superstars. I think they thought, "Hey, any decent 4 star from Louisiana can go to LSU, but I am freaking ______ and I just got an offer from Saban (or Florida or Sumlin and his helicopter)."
So, to fit their expanded view of themselves, it is now beneath them to go to LSU where guys who are not as good as them can go. But, a Louisiana kid going to Alabama to play for the mighty Saban? That cements them as a legend in their own minds.
That is a big part of it. Miles is the wife and Saban is the beautiful younger woman who is showing them attention.
At the end of the day, the guys who are solid and strong workers will be the ones who excel at LSU. How many Louisiana guys really do well when they go out of state? The reason for it is because of the attitude that they exhibit toward themselves and others.
Well there will always be those type of in-state kids. That problem isn't going away. Only thing the staff can do is protect themselves better and spend more time with OOS kids. After years of recruiting these in-state guys, they've pretty much driven home the point on how much LSU wants them. They either come at that point or they don't. The ones that want to be here because they want to play for the home state team will not balk at LSU recruiting OOS guys. Why do I say that? Because their motivations have to do with the love for the school, not competition at their position, or any other motivation.
If an in-state recruit becomes disenchanted because the staff is recruiting highly regarded OOS guys, he's not motivated by love for the home team. At that point, as the home team, we have no advantage. They're essentially the same as OOS recruits at that point, thus we shouldn't treat them any differently than we would the OOS guys.
I guess my bottom line is, equalize the time spent on recruits across the board, to the extent possible. We could've dumped 100 more hours into Speedy and GW, they weren't coming here.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 1:47 pm to BasilBogomil
quote:
I am not really sure that the coaches can plan for deception.
only addition to this is live and learn... which is what LSU did with Jamal Adams and Hootie Jones once Hootie acted like he was all conflicted again.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 2:23 pm to AlaTiger
Dude, none of you have the real story on any of this. I dont either. we had 6 5star which wont happen again. Next year is 0. So you wait and baby those drama queens. shite happens. we the frickin No. 2 class right now. Relax
Posted on 1/24/14 at 3:02 pm to 3Miles
quote:
Dude, none of you have the real story on any of this. I dont either. we had 6 5star which wont happen again.
You are naive if you think no one here has the real story. I'm not specifically taking about the self proclaimed "insiders", but people do know coaches inside the program, that is a real thing.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:27 am to sheeeeeit
So you knew waht Speeddy and Willis ere going to do? You should open your own website, you could be rich.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 6:55 am to 3Miles
2 of those 3 trolled LSU.
Can't blame a kid no matter where he wants to play.
But you don't screw over a school for no reason when there can be consequences down the road...
Recruits these days don't have to screw over others schools, it's classless and shows character issues.
LSU has an abundance of high character recruits this year that will pay dividends in the end.
Just as the Jansen Jackson charade ended, so will most of these .....
Can't blame a kid no matter where he wants to play.
But you don't screw over a school for no reason when there can be consequences down the road...
Recruits these days don't have to screw over others schools, it's classless and shows character issues.
LSU has an abundance of high character recruits this year that will pay dividends in the end.
Just as the Jansen Jackson charade ended, so will most of these .....
Posted on 1/25/14 at 7:12 am to Cadello
I think you should handle the instate presumed "superstars" the way LSU handled Tim Williams last year. Recruit the hell out of them and have an open door policy to anything LSU. But, if by November you are not 100% feeling the love back from the recruit, start spending more time on other recruits that play those positions.
After 1/2, we have amped up our efforts on some guys in positions of need. It would look much better if this had happened a month before we got jilted by the instate kids. If you wind up getting the superstars great, but your plan B has a much better chance if you put in in play before the bomb is dropped on you.
Also think we need to sign 1/5 or so of the class as guys that want to be program guys and be good 4-5 year college football players, not Im leaving as fast as I can for a dollar guys, but thats another discussion.
After 1/2, we have amped up our efforts on some guys in positions of need. It would look much better if this had happened a month before we got jilted by the instate kids. If you wind up getting the superstars great, but your plan B has a much better chance if you put in in play before the bomb is dropped on you.
Also think we need to sign 1/5 or so of the class as guys that want to be program guys and be good 4-5 year college football players, not Im leaving as fast as I can for a dollar guys, but thats another discussion.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 8:49 am to AlaTiger
quote:
As it turns out, CRob, Landon Collins, Gerald Willis, Speedy, and Hootie all did certain things that made you believe that they were really up in the air when they weren't.
CRob declared last summer - hardly leading anyone on. He did it right. I hated it but he did it right.
Hootie, declared in Nov. Still time to look elsewhere for LSU.
Willis, I honestly dont think he knew where he was going until Landon got in his ear. I just cant figure out UF - he has got to know the coaches are on their last chance.
Speedy - ???? Sumlin promised him the world, even to play some QB. He was open to the highest bidder so to speak.
LC - he was too dumb to realize the tempest he was going to stir up playing the bait and switch with the LSU fans. All in the more attention for LC mode...
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:18 am to Cadello
quote:
2 of those 3 trolled LSU.
That may have happened but as time goes on I'm become less and less sympathetic to the staff's plight on the matter.
LSU shouldn't put themselves in a situation to where they can be "screwed over." There should not be any saving of spots for recruits or any credence put in "silent commits" or anything like that, because they don't mean anything in reality until they happen. A silent commit is a non-commit. It's just like schools and their "non-committable offers."
If LSU had drawn a line in the sand months ago and put more time into recruiting other guys at their position, that may have turned GW and Speedy off a long time ago but in reality it wouldn't have changed anything. We never had a shot at either of these guys and looking back on their pre-commitment behavior there were clues (that we chose to dismiss) that LSU didn't have a shot at these guys.
I'm hoping our staff can use this as a learning opportunity to better identify the behavior of in-state players that really don't want to be a part of LSU. I think a big clue would be anyone that would balk at LSU pursuing OOS talent at their position.
Posted on 1/25/14 at 9:23 am to Goldrush25
quote:No offense man, but your post is just ignorant. 5 star recruits have far too many suitors to just tell them to take it or leave it. The guys we are in the hunt for will make up for what we didn't land, precisely because LSU put time recruiting other guys at their position.
That may have happened but as time goes on I'm become less and less sympathetic to the staff's plight on the matter. LSU shouldn't put themselves in a situation to where they can be "screwed over."
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