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re: Windows on a new build

Posted on 11/22/19 at 6:39 am to
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 11/22/19 at 6:39 am to
Heat gain must be monstrous, too.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27092 posts
Posted on 11/22/19 at 7:55 am to
Why is black more? Eh, supply and demand. Black has always had a little premium in the window world, but it's in demand these days and they know they can get a little more for it than they used to.

Something to consider with premium windows: They are next to impossible to replace if the seal ever fails or the glass is broken. Specifically talking about premium windows such as aluminum-clad and/or ones with simulated divided lites. If the glass ever breaks or the seal fails, it will require you to replace the entire sash. There's no way to replace the insulated glass without just totally destroying the sash or stick-on muntins. We turn down a dozen or so clad/sdl glass replacements a week.

Sometimes it's not a big deal to replace, but most of the time it's like pulling teeth from the window manufacturer. They don't like dealing directly with consumers and they don't like dealing with one-offs. They are set up to pump out volume for contractors, and one-offs just get in their way. I'd discuss this with your supplier before moving forward to understand how the replacement process would work for their lifetime warranty. I'd also manage to get the supplier's personal cell phone number and save it so you can bypass the runaround warranty process.

As far as lifetime warranties, I can't tell you how many "lifetime warranty" jobs I've replaced because the original company is non-responsive or non-existent. I am very familiar with insulating glass and make thousands of them, and there is not a unit I've ever come across that I would trust for a lifetime. The most legit warranties you'll find on seal failure are 15 years, and those are on high performance units not typically seen in the single-family residential market.

My opinion? Don't go cheap, but don't go higher than necessary. Energy performance between mid range to upper range products is not all that drastic, especially for southern locations.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 11/22/19 at 9:32 am to
quote:

Quaker Manchester is what I was quoted. I had to go up a grade to get black.


I can't really help with your black/white issue. I was just commenting to say I got Quaker windows in my new house build 4 years ago.

We got the Manchester windows. Not a single failure in the windows so far. I was sure at least one window would arrive bad but they were all perfect (roughly 30 total picture windows, single hung and horizontal sliding windows)
Posted by Ricky1962
Member since Oct 2012
163 posts
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:38 am to
I recently built. Went with Ellison Windows. Used black on the front and sides of the house and white on the rear to save a little. I found that all manufactures price the black higher, but not 50% higher. Also they are simply white that have been painted, not extruded with color. It is the new look on new houses these days and they really do look fantastic.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16457 posts
Posted on 11/22/19 at 2:17 pm to
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If your plans specified black windows and your GC missed that it’s on him.


I agree 100%. Your builder is pulling a classic bait and switch. Whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant. You have a binding contract with him to build according to the plans and he’s not holding up his end of the bargain. If he loses money on the deal that’s his fault. You should not have to come out of pocket for his mistake.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38533 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 7:20 am to
quote:

I recently built. Went with Ellison Windows. Used black on the front and sides of the house and white on the rear to save a little.


Are you concerned about fading in a few years?
Posted by Ricky1962
Member since Oct 2012
163 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:17 am to
Yes, but I hope the paint is a special type that was tested for this.
Posted by IamPatman
In The Head Of My Enemies
Member since Nov 2019
434 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 10:12 am to
I have been in the building material industry for 30 years all around the country. The company I am with currently sells primarily Marvin, Andersen, and then Silverline for the lower cost option. I quote, sell and ship Marvin and Andersen every single day and their Black clad exteriors are only 10% more at most. I am in New England so it is possible there could be some regional difference because of the abuse black exterior will take in the southern climate...but I just cant believe it could be at 50% more than white.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
2740 posts
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:37 am to
If you were talking about a bunch of cheap $100 windows, I could see how an upgrade to another brand/model could run you $150 a piece.

But if you already have big picture windows spec'd for example, then there's no reason to have a bump from $1000 ea to $1500 ea etc. What I'm trying to say is that at the very bottom end of the range I can see how you could have a 50% bump, but no way it should be that across the board.
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