- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Windows on a new build
Posted on 11/22/19 at 6:39 am to Will Cover
Posted on 11/22/19 at 6:39 am to Will Cover
Heat gain must be monstrous, too.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 7:55 am to nugget
Why is black more? Eh, supply and demand. Black has always had a little premium in the window world, but it's in demand these days and they know they can get a little more for it than they used to.
Something to consider with premium windows: They are next to impossible to replace if the seal ever fails or the glass is broken. Specifically talking about premium windows such as aluminum-clad and/or ones with simulated divided lites. If the glass ever breaks or the seal fails, it will require you to replace the entire sash. There's no way to replace the insulated glass without just totally destroying the sash or stick-on muntins. We turn down a dozen or so clad/sdl glass replacements a week.
Sometimes it's not a big deal to replace, but most of the time it's like pulling teeth from the window manufacturer. They don't like dealing directly with consumers and they don't like dealing with one-offs. They are set up to pump out volume for contractors, and one-offs just get in their way. I'd discuss this with your supplier before moving forward to understand how the replacement process would work for their lifetime warranty. I'd also manage to get the supplier's personal cell phone number and save it so you can bypass the runaround warranty process.
As far as lifetime warranties, I can't tell you how many "lifetime warranty" jobs I've replaced because the original company is non-responsive or non-existent. I am very familiar with insulating glass and make thousands of them, and there is not a unit I've ever come across that I would trust for a lifetime. The most legit warranties you'll find on seal failure are 15 years, and those are on high performance units not typically seen in the single-family residential market.
My opinion? Don't go cheap, but don't go higher than necessary. Energy performance between mid range to upper range products is not all that drastic, especially for southern locations.
Something to consider with premium windows: They are next to impossible to replace if the seal ever fails or the glass is broken. Specifically talking about premium windows such as aluminum-clad and/or ones with simulated divided lites. If the glass ever breaks or the seal fails, it will require you to replace the entire sash. There's no way to replace the insulated glass without just totally destroying the sash or stick-on muntins. We turn down a dozen or so clad/sdl glass replacements a week.
Sometimes it's not a big deal to replace, but most of the time it's like pulling teeth from the window manufacturer. They don't like dealing directly with consumers and they don't like dealing with one-offs. They are set up to pump out volume for contractors, and one-offs just get in their way. I'd discuss this with your supplier before moving forward to understand how the replacement process would work for their lifetime warranty. I'd also manage to get the supplier's personal cell phone number and save it so you can bypass the runaround warranty process.
As far as lifetime warranties, I can't tell you how many "lifetime warranty" jobs I've replaced because the original company is non-responsive or non-existent. I am very familiar with insulating glass and make thousands of them, and there is not a unit I've ever come across that I would trust for a lifetime. The most legit warranties you'll find on seal failure are 15 years, and those are on high performance units not typically seen in the single-family residential market.
My opinion? Don't go cheap, but don't go higher than necessary. Energy performance between mid range to upper range products is not all that drastic, especially for southern locations.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 9:32 am to nugget
quote:
Quaker Manchester is what I was quoted. I had to go up a grade to get black.
I can't really help with your black/white issue. I was just commenting to say I got Quaker windows in my new house build 4 years ago.
We got the Manchester windows. Not a single failure in the windows so far. I was sure at least one window would arrive bad but they were all perfect (roughly 30 total picture windows, single hung and horizontal sliding windows)
Posted on 11/22/19 at 11:38 am to notsince98
I recently built. Went with Ellison Windows. Used black on the front and sides of the house and white on the rear to save a little. I found that all manufactures price the black higher, but not 50% higher. Also they are simply white that have been painted, not extruded with color. It is the new look on new houses these days and they really do look fantastic.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 2:17 pm to PokerPastime
quote:
If your plans specified black windows and your GC missed that it’s on him.
I agree 100%. Your builder is pulling a classic bait and switch. Whether it was intentional or not is irrelevant. You have a binding contract with him to build according to the plans and he’s not holding up his end of the bargain. If he loses money on the deal that’s his fault. You should not have to come out of pocket for his mistake.
Posted on 11/23/19 at 7:20 am to Ricky1962
quote:
I recently built. Went with Ellison Windows. Used black on the front and sides of the house and white on the rear to save a little.
Are you concerned about fading in a few years?
Posted on 11/23/19 at 9:17 am to Will Cover
Yes, but I hope the paint is a special type that was tested for this.
Posted on 11/23/19 at 10:12 am to nugget
I have been in the building material industry for 30 years all around the country. The company I am with currently sells primarily Marvin, Andersen, and then Silverline for the lower cost option. I quote, sell and ship Marvin and Andersen every single day and their Black clad exteriors are only 10% more at most. I am in New England so it is possible there could be some regional difference because of the abuse black exterior will take in the southern climate...but I just cant believe it could be at 50% more than white.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 7:37 am to nugget
If you were talking about a bunch of cheap $100 windows, I could see how an upgrade to another brand/model could run you $150 a piece.
But if you already have big picture windows spec'd for example, then there's no reason to have a bump from $1000 ea to $1500 ea etc. What I'm trying to say is that at the very bottom end of the range I can see how you could have a 50% bump, but no way it should be that across the board.
But if you already have big picture windows spec'd for example, then there's no reason to have a bump from $1000 ea to $1500 ea etc. What I'm trying to say is that at the very bottom end of the range I can see how you could have a 50% bump, but no way it should be that across the board.
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News