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re: Whole home generator brands
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:23 pm to TheWiz
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:23 pm to TheWiz
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Alright, well.... My first quote was $26,000. I'm not feeling very optimistic about future quotes.
I have gotten several quotes on Briggs and Stratton and Generac. They have ranged from about 13,500 (both Briggs and Generac) to 23,000 for a 24kw/26kw. I am getting a Kohler quote next week.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:54 pm to TheWiz
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My first quote was $26,000.
An air cooled unit would be half of this or less. I would strongly consider it unless you lose power regularly and for long durations, necessitating the need for a liquid cooled unit.
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Westinghouse Portable 20kw Installing proper panel with transfer switch and 50amp hookup
20kW can put out considerably more amps than 50. I think you’re limiting yourself if you don’t get a fully rated transfer switch with this setup, assuming your generator can run everything in your house. Should be able to handle your HVAC but what about other 240V loads - oven, cooktop, water heater, etc. If you post a picture of your home panel with the door open that would give me a better idea for sizing.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 7:53 pm to bapple
This was for a 26kw, air cooled Generac . I have to run it to the back of my yard; which I assume was $1,000s and $1,000s of additional costs.
I have four large energy suckers. 4 ton unit. 3 ton unit. Electric oven. Electric Dryer. That should be all of my 240 loads. I could live without drying clothes for a few days, if I have to. My panel isn’t the one without a break switch, so I need a new panel.
I have four large energy suckers. 4 ton unit. 3 ton unit. Electric oven. Electric Dryer. That should be all of my 240 loads. I could live without drying clothes for a few days, if I have to. My panel isn’t the one without a break switch, so I need a new panel.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:02 pm to TheWiz
I went with generac. Plenty reliable enough for the limited use I’ll need it and the parts availability. Which I needed after it got hit by lightning during Beryl.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 8:36 pm to TheWiz
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Alright, well.... My first quote was $26,000. I'm not feeling very optimistic about future quotes.
I'm now thinking about my next plan.
Westinghouse Portable 20kw
Installing proper panel with transfer switch and 50amp hookup
Soft start on AC units
Getting nat gas line ran to wherever I decide I can safely run a portable.
Replace every 6-7 years, if it goes bad.
What am I missing.
I went with the Westinghouse WGen10500TFc generator. Just unboxed it and put the wheels on it tonight. Gonna cost $1200 to get my 50 amp outlet and interlock installed and $2075 to have gas service run to my house. I'll be around $5k all in vs $15k+ for a Generac. Sure I'll have to set up the 50amp cord and gas hose, but the generator is remote start and that little inconvenience is worth the $10k+ in savings. Only thing I'll need to add down the road will be a soft start for one of my AC units. Not too concerned with that right now as I have a portable AC that I can use to keep my bedroom comfortable.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 9:19 pm to TigerDL
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Cummins or kohler get my vote. I have a Cummins and it’s great. Quiet and reliable. Liquid cooled.
Cummings bought Onan. Kohler and Onan both had long histories of marine generators including commercial fishing vessels keeping big catches cold. A liquid cooled engine is more efficient and last longer than air cooled but are normally only available in larger sizes and cost more.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:16 pm to TheWiz
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I have four large energy suckers. 4 ton unit. 3 ton unit. Electric oven. Electric Dryer.
That's actually less than you would think. My parents have a 24kW Generac that can run all their HVAC units (5 ton, 2.5 ton, and 3 ton) simultaneously and they only have hard start kits on them. I don't know if my dad has really tested it fully with turning on the drier and oven as well but it handles those 3 units like a champ.
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My panel isn’t the one without a break switch, so I need a new panel.
Sounds like your panel is a main-lug-only (MLO). Yes, this makes sense as you need one with a main breaker for an interlock kit. If you utilized a fully rated transfer switch upstream of the panel you wouldn't need the main breaker but I think more permits and such are involved. Still would be worth asking your electrician.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:00 am to TheWiz
2 small inverter generators and 2 small window units can be had for <$1500 and 25 gallons of gas will easily get you by for 5-10 days or longer depending on how you use them. It's a great option if you're able and don't mind the hassle.
Liquid cooled diesel would be my choice if going with a whole home unit. Diesel is a heck of a lot easier to get after a hurricane than gas or propane.
Liquid cooled diesel would be my choice if going with a whole home unit. Diesel is a heck of a lot easier to get after a hurricane than gas or propane.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:37 am to sleepytime
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Liquid cooled diesel
Its the tit's but damn they are so expensive, and not really necessary for intermittent use on a residential application.
What i did at my house was install a minisplit in the large living room, and rig up a transfer switch and plug for a standard 30 amp portable gasoline unit. Use the boat as a 100 gallon portable gas can. The little generac will easily run the mini split and the whole rest of the house besides the dryer, which it can run on low with everything else off if needed.
Its crude, but it's cheap and works well enough and makes the house very much liveable.
People spending $20k+ on standby units for homes with reliable grids and no severe medical needs make me scratch my head. Its become a bit of a status symbol to have the biggest quietest cummins generator in the neighborhood in south louisiana.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:06 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Someone may have already mentioned this but make sure the installer puts a two or three minute time delay on it.
Keeps it from trying to kick on and immediately kills in cases where power goes off for just a second or two.
Keeps it from trying to kick on and immediately kills in cases where power goes off for just a second or two.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:01 pm to TheWiz
I ah e Cummins and I have kohler
Both are great
My neighbor got generac the same tone that I got my kohler 10 years ago and they’ve already replaced it twice
Both are great
My neighbor got generac the same tone that I got my kohler 10 years ago and they’ve already replaced it twice
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:52 pm to TheWiz
Go with whoever you think will be available to service it in a timely manner, trumps any brand consideration
Posted on 9/28/24 at 2:50 am to lgtiger
+1
Bought a Generac through HMC and they have been awesome to deal with.
Bought a Generac through HMC and they have been awesome to deal with.
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