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What's the trick to getting a new roof?

Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:11 pm
Posted by RoadToLIsPaviad
Texas
Member since Nov 2024
35 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:11 pm
In the last two months, about a dozen houses in my neighborhood have had their roofs replaced.

I know they aren't all paying 15-20k and I don't know how they can make a claim because it has barely rained an inch for the last three months, let alone hail or storm.

So what's the secret here? Money under the table to the adjustor? Fake some damage? Certain contractors that know the loopholes?

My roof is showing its age and I am feeling like I dont know how to play this game.
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
2035 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:23 pm to
Hey Guys!!!! Can you tell me how to commit some fraud in the internet!!!
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
14529 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:49 pm to
First get an actual roofer to assess the extent of damage, then if it can be tied to a recent weather event. If your roofer makes a compelling case with visual evidence, next make a claim with your insurance company.

Ask the roofer if he can come back when the adjuster schedules his visit. Most will because it’s good money, and they have the confidence to win.

Whatever the roofer and adjuster agree to with no witnesses to hear their words or see their handshakes is not on you.

Final step: enjoy your new roof.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired - 31 years
Member since Feb 2019
5732 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:11 pm to
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First get an actual roofer to assess the extent of damage, then if it can be tied to a recent weather event. If your roofer makes a compelling case with visual evidence, next make a claim with your insurance company.

Ask the roofer if he can come back when the adjuster schedules his visit. Most will because it’s good money, and they have the confidence to win.

Whatever the roofer and adjuster agree to with no witnesses to hear their words or see their handshakes is not on you.

Final step: enjoy your new roof.


This.

Also, your insurance company matters, USSA overpaid for a new rook for me, but my neighbors with State Farm fought with them for months.

Find out when the hail/high wind/heavy rain events were back in the spring.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
33968 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:18 pm to
Same exact dudes are bitching snd moaning about outrageous insurance prices

Bunch of slap dicks filing bullshite claims and fricking all of us
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
6586 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:45 pm to
The insurance company is the biggest piece of that puzzle. I know my neighbor lost half his shingles in a hurricane and Stare Farm fought him for 9 months and he eventually came out of pocket.

I had crews around the neighborhood earlier this year after a hail storm. Farm Bureau came out and said no hail damage but enough wind damage to call it and stroked a check a week later without a second conversation.
Posted by couv1217
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2007
3460 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:56 pm to
Much depends on it. Insurance companies. Dates of loss. Actual weather damage. HINT: Southern Louisiana rarely get damaging hail to architectural shingles. We mostly get .5 - 1.5 inch at most.

The door knockers probably hit your neighborhood after a small hail storm, collected as many claims as they could, threw them against the wall to see what stuck. Some got approved. Some don’t. It’s a win for them on the ones that get approved. On the ones that don’t, they tell the homeowner see ya later and then the homeowner is stuck with a most likely illegitimate claim on their history.

If you’re in the Baton Rouge area I can give you some good companies to call out that would give you an honest opinion.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
11826 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:00 pm to
You can call around and get someone to come check your roof. If they ask if you have State Farm, and you do, be forewarned...they won't come out.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
11459 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:24 pm to
You could ask neighbors if they had storm damage.
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
Member since Dec 2008
13304 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:27 pm to
And people wonder why insurance premiums are shooting up. What the frick. I was glad to see my insurance go up significantly after paying $18k in cash for a new roof in February.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28643 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:42 am to
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And people wonder why insurance premiums are shooting up. What the frick. I was glad to see my insurance go up significantly after paying $18k in cash for a new roof in February.


I would agree it’s stupid, but you’re an idiot for paying out of pocket.
You could literally go put some small dents in your metal vents and caps on your roof, and look up the last time you had hail(which you can easily do), and you’ll get a new roof for the price of your deductible.

It’s shitty that what I just said is a thing, but it is. No different than if you get in a wreck in LA and it’s not your fault, you will successfully win at least $25-50K suing whoever hit you.

You want to blame someone, blame lawyers and judges.
And then get the hell out of this shithole state.
Posted by Tigers4Lyfe
Member since Nov 2010
5565 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 8:39 am to
Dumbest post to date.

Just announce it to the world.
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
8638 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:00 am to
We had a hail storm in April. I would say about 30 houses in the hood got new roofs, me included. I have State Farm and every roofer that descended on the hood after the storm commented how they were the toughest.

Well, I guess one of my neighbors is an attorney and had SF insurance, he got denied, wrote a letter, and was approved on appeal. The rest of us with SF benefited from his letter as well. SF approved all claims in the hood.

The only insurer who flat out denied claims was Auto Owners Insurance.
Posted by BitBuster
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2017
1519 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:50 am to
They were probably due for a new roof and were waiting for the end of hurricane season to get one. Believe it or not, a new roof is something people save up for.
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
Member since Dec 2008
13304 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:22 am to
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I would agree it’s stupid, but you’re an idiot for paying out of pocket.



Actually I had no other option. We bought the house knowing the roof was old and insurance wasn't going to cover it and we couldn't get it worked into the cost to get the previous owner to replace it. It's been fine for the 7 years we've lived in it but finally decided to take care of it.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
38412 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 11:38 am to
quote:

In the last two months, about a dozen houses in my neighborhood have had their roofs replaced.


Doesn't mean they should have been/needed to be replaced.

quote:

it has barely rained an inch for the last three months, let alone hail or storm.


So your roof is probably fine since it doesn't have storm damage.

quote:

Money under the table to the adjustor?


So insurance fraud and something that will get the adjuster fired? No, that's not the secret.

quote:

Fake some damage?


So insurance fraud and doing something that any good adjuster will be able to recognize and let your insurance know you manufactured damage and get you dropped by your insurance company and make it almost impossible for you to get coverage again and make it extremely expensive if you do. No, that is not the secret.

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Certain contractors that know the loopholes?


This is your best bet but if your roof isn't too old and you have had zero storms then an honest roofer is going to get up there and tell you you don't have damage and not to file a claim. But it sounds like you're good with doing something shady so there is definitely going to be a roofer out there for you.

Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28643 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 1:14 pm to
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This is your best bet but if your roof isn't too old and you have had zero storms then an honest roofer is going to get up there and tell you you don't have damage and not to file a claim.


They don't make money if you don't get a new roof. They are in the business of making money.
It's the system that is broken, not the honesty of the roofer or the homeowner.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
38412 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

They don't make money if you don't get a new roof. They are in the business of making money.
It's the system that is broken, not the honesty of the roofer or the homeowner.


I'm a GC and a roofing contractor. Deal mainly in insurance claims.

Was at a house yesterday and told them they didn't have any hail damage. I'm not in the business of lying to people. We don't door knock either so we have a different strategy than most everyone else who just send people out who don't know what they're talking about and tell every homeowner to file a claim and don't care if they get denied.

Also my time is valuable. I like to be at every adjuster meeting. I'm not going to tell someone they have damage when they don't, then waste my time going back to the adjuster meeting, looking like I don't know what a damaged roof is, and making a bad name for myself with a homeowner and adjuster (even though 90% of the time the adjuster doesn't know what the hell he's doing) when it gets denied.

Had one last week where it was questionable. Told the homeowner they have some damage, not a lot, and it most likely will depend on the adjuster. I could see it getting approved or denied.. If they have a no claim discount I would have probably advised them to hold off but since she didn't I told her it probably wouldn't hurt to give it a shot.

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It's the system that is broken, not the honesty of the roofer or the homeowner.


Doesn't mean that people still can't do the right thing in a broken system. Look, I loath insurance companies. In particular Allstate and State Farm. They are both actively looking to screw homeowners over every day all over the country. If someone can get over on them good for them, lord knows they do it on homeowners all the time. but there are right ways and wrong ways to go about it.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 1:33 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28643 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 1:47 pm to
Hey man you don't have to tell me. I'm the say way in my profession of sales. I've talked customers out of buying my own product b/c it wasn't needed for what they were trying to do. I take the honest approach all the time.

But the reality is there's a ton of contractors out there that are taking advantage of the system.


I can't change the system. I'm the one that suffers paying higher rates than I should. Me doing the right thing and not taking advantage of the system doesn't make my rates go down. If i'm goign to pay for a system that provides free roofs to everyone, then i'm going to get a new free roof. I'd prefer the system change, but if it's not going to, i'm goign to take advantage of it.
You're paying ridiculous rates for car and home insurance b/c of free roofs and stupid lawsuits that are won b/c of the $50k non jury trial limit. Might as well get your free roof and $50k when in a not at fault accident. You're paying for it anyway.

Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
38412 posts
Posted on 11/12/24 at 2:05 pm to
No I mean if the guy deserves a new roof then the insurance should pay for it. I'm all for that. But the way he is talking about getting a roof is not "taking advantage of the system". Giving an adjuster money under the table and going up on your roof and damaging it is not taking advantage of the system, it's just illegal stuff.

I don't hear a lot of money under the table stuff much, but a homeowner or contractor purposefully damaging a roof is the one that really pisses me off. If I get up there and see manufactured damage, I get off the roof immediately. I'm not about to be up there and then try and get blamed for the damage. That's like a nightmare scenario for me It's funny when I hear of homeowners getting up there and slamming their roof with golf balls or rubbing a dime in the shape of a circle. It's so easy to tell in those instances. Like do you really think that every single piece of hail is the same shape and size and makes the exact same mark and the exact same damage on every hit? Smh.
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