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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:13 am to PillageUrVillage
Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:13 am to PillageUrVillage
Thanks for the responses. I may have used neem extract and not cold pressed. I don’t recall off hand, but that would make sense considering my lack of success with it. May give it another shot once we dry up over here.
As far as fertilizer the only thing I’ve used since late March has been jobe’s vegetable and tomato which has an npk of 2-5-3. I use it roughly once or twice a month depending on the rain.
As far as fertilizer the only thing I’ve used since late March has been jobe’s vegetable and tomato which has an npk of 2-5-3. I use it roughly once or twice a month depending on the rain.
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Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:33 am to Ldogg123
Doesn’t sound like you’re over fertilizing. There could still be an imbalance in the soil, though. If you haven’t had your soil tested, that could tell you a lot.
If your area is just prone to aphid infestation, you could try planting trap plants. Milkweed and sunflowers are good trap plants for aphids and can take the abuse from them.
As far as neem goes, I use this stuff.
1 oz per gallon and emulsified with 2 tsp of castile soap. I use this one.
Dr Bronner’s with peppermint oil. The peppermint oil has the added benefit of deterring ants.
ETA: Spraying once a week should keep them under control.
If your area is just prone to aphid infestation, you could try planting trap plants. Milkweed and sunflowers are good trap plants for aphids and can take the abuse from them.
As far as neem goes, I use this stuff.
1 oz per gallon and emulsified with 2 tsp of castile soap. I use this one.
Dr Bronner’s with peppermint oil. The peppermint oil has the added benefit of deterring ants.
ETA: Spraying once a week should keep them under control.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:31 am to PillageUrVillage
I use the exact same stuff. Works fine for me.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 12:30 pm to bluemoons
Today I was about to put my first round of bloom boosting fertilizer on my tomato plants high in phosphate (Miracle Gro purple).
But I noticed a couple of my leaves have started to yellow at the bottom of the plants. My question is should I hold off on phosphate and treat with a nitrogen centric fertilizer? Or a combination of another method?
But I noticed a couple of my leaves have started to yellow at the bottom of the plants. My question is should I hold off on phosphate and treat with a nitrogen centric fertilizer? Or a combination of another method?
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 1:35 pm to Sheepdog1833
Where are you located? Hard to say without seeing a photo, but chances are your leaves are yellowing just because of natural forces. Tomatoes in the south start to get kind of ratty this time of year and become pretty high maintenance. The good news is they've set most of their fruit, so all you really have to do is maintain them until the fruit ripens, at which point you can pull them. Some of the lower leaves on my plants have started to yellow and I'm just been pruning them off.
I don't know this for sure, but if your plants were suffering from a lack of nitrogen, I think the new growth at the top of the plant would be yellow or discolored before the lower leaves. Iron deficiencies also look similar, but you can tell the difference because nitrogen deficiencies result in the entire leaf system on a branch turning yellow, whereas an iron deficiency results in the areas of the leaves closest to the branch turning yellow, while the outer portion of the leaves stay green.
In any event, chances are your leaves are just yellowing because the plants are getting old + heat and humidity. Mine have taken a beating this past week in SELA because it has rained every day for two weeks.
I don't know this for sure, but if your plants were suffering from a lack of nitrogen, I think the new growth at the top of the plant would be yellow or discolored before the lower leaves. Iron deficiencies also look similar, but you can tell the difference because nitrogen deficiencies result in the entire leaf system on a branch turning yellow, whereas an iron deficiency results in the areas of the leaves closest to the branch turning yellow, while the outer portion of the leaves stay green.
In any event, chances are your leaves are just yellowing because the plants are getting old + heat and humidity. Mine have taken a beating this past week in SELA because it has rained every day for two weeks.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 5:34 pm to bluemoons
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because it has rained every day for two weeks.
Yea, tough to maintain any decent level of nitrogen in the soil when we are getting 2-4 inches per day for a few weeks straight.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 7:19 pm to bluemoons
Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:58 pm to TheBoo
I agree. My potatoes are not taking well to all this rain after a solid month in April with little to no rain. Dug up another potato plant today and had 6 nice ones. Put some fertilizer out for the beans, squash, peas, cucumbers, peppers, and tomatoes. This rain sure makes weeding easier though.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:15 am to bluemoons
Everything I've seen on it is a net positive for the plant. The stunting of length wears off fairly quickly and the increase in chlorophyll production helps long term production.
The success or failure of Bonnie plants has to do with the way the retailer handles them. The ones who take proper care like small local suppliers will result in better plants than Walmart, home depot or their ilk. Bonnie sells on consignment, so the big guys have no incentive to take care of them because they have such a large supply and they'll get more. Small guys only get a couple racks from Bonnie's, so there's incentive to make sure they live to sell.
The success or failure of Bonnie plants has to do with the way the retailer handles them. The ones who take proper care like small local suppliers will result in better plants than Walmart, home depot or their ilk. Bonnie sells on consignment, so the big guys have no incentive to take care of them because they have such a large supply and they'll get more. Small guys only get a couple racks from Bonnie's, so there's incentive to make sure they live to sell.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:26 am to Sheepdog1833
With the amount of rain we're getting, if you're in LA, it's hard to point out nutrient deficiency or disease right now.
I've gotten 21 inches of rain since mid April and everything is looking like shite compared to my previous years. The roots can't absorb what's being put down because everything is oversaturated.
I've resorted to foliar spraying with fertilizers and minerals just to try to get some positives. I'm just waiting for all the diseases to hit following the inundation with rain. At this point it's an inevitability.
I've gotten 21 inches of rain since mid April and everything is looking like shite compared to my previous years. The roots can't absorb what's being put down because everything is oversaturated.
I've resorted to foliar spraying with fertilizers and minerals just to try to get some positives. I'm just waiting for all the diseases to hit following the inundation with rain. At this point it's an inevitability.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:34 am to Piebald Panther
I think mine have already started on my tomatoes. A couple of plants have quite a few yellow leaves at the bottom.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:39 am to Piebald Panther
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With the amount of rain we're getting, if you're in LA, it's hard to point out nutrient deficiency or disease right now.
I've gotten 21 inches of rain since mid April and everything is looking like shite compared to my previous years. The roots can't absorb what's being put down because everything is oversaturated.
I've resorted to foliar spraying with fertilizers and minerals just to try to get some positives. I'm just waiting for all the diseases to hit following the inundation with rain. At this point it's an inevitability.
Does giving them calcium help regarding too much rain?
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:44 am to Piebald Panther
That is good info. What is the name of the growth regulator you are most familiar with? I may be interested in trying it in the future. One thing I really like about the plants I've seen with the growth regulators is that they are stocky and (seemingly) strong plants.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 11:07 am to bluemoons
Sumagic is the only one approved for vegetable transplants. It's $400+ a gallon, so unless you're growing a full greenhouse it's not really worth the investment. Uniconazole is the active ingredient
I haven't looked at any smaller volumes, so you may be able to find some smaller cheaper alternatives.
I haven't looked at any smaller volumes, so you may be able to find some smaller cheaper alternatives.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 11:42 am to Piebald Panther
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I'm just waiting for all the diseases to hit following the inundation with rain. At this point it's an inevitability.
My garden has handled this rain surprisingly well. But I will be going out there this afternoon and spraying peroxide after the rain ends. And tomorrow I’ll be fertilizing and spraying neem.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:34 pm to PillageUrVillage
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This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:24 am
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:52 pm to DarthTiger
Had some potatoes wilting and figured they were too wet. Let the twins dig them up this evening. 175 potatoes later. That’s about 1/3 of the potato plants.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:59 pm to Mr Sausage
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Posted on 5/22/21 at 8:04 am to DarthTiger
I was stunned at how many we got. We have sandy soil around here so I think that helps. I also had the kids help my mound up on them during the growing cycle. My dad made fun of me for planting potatoes. He says they are too cheap in the store to mess with. I am giving him a bucket of them this afternoon and we’ll see what he says.
Posted on 5/22/21 at 11:17 am to DarthTiger
What did your plant look like?
My first time growing potatoes, ive only been told wait until they start dying.
My first time growing potatoes, ive only been told wait until they start dying.
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