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PillageUrVillage
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The 2021 Garden Thread
Welcome to the 2021 garden thread.

I’d like to start out by providing you with some resources. Many I still use, some not so much anymore. But they were helpful to me at some point regardless. If you have any to add, please let me know and I’ll update the OP.

Gardening info, learning:
LSU AgCenter Main Page
LSU AgCenter Vegetable Planting Guide
Growveg.com
Davesgarden.com
Seedsavers Exchange learning page
Epic gardening raised bed plans

I personally use the LSU AgCenter website and planting guide almost religiously. Being a Louisiana native (within 60 miles of BR) it’s full of relevant information. Growveg is a neat website for planning out a garden. Davesgarden.com is really useful for their watchdog section which gathers ratings on different seed companies and nurseries. And the Seedsavers learning page is a very easy to use website that is great for beginners. It’s streamlined and very easy to understand.

Seed/plant websites:
Harris Seeds
Park Seed
Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds (rareseeds.com)
Reimer seeds
Gurney’s

I would definitely recommend the first 3 listed. Have never had any issues with orders from them. Reimer, on the other hand, has on more than one occasion sent me mislabeled/wrong product. I’ve also had some seeds with 0% germination. However, they have an extremely large selection, so they may be worth the gamble for some harder to find varieties. I’ve never used Gurney’s, but haven’t heard anything bad about them. Personally I will be getting as many seeds as I can from my local nursery this year, and will order anything that they don’t carry.

Once again, if you recommend any other resources please let me know and I’ll add them.

Happy growing.

ETA: Figured I’d add in a few things about disease and pest management. I won’t get too specific in the OP. Just some general products and what they control.

Organic disease and pest management:

Neem Oil
I’ve been using neem oil for a long time. It has insecticidal and fungicidal properties. Maybe even some anti bacterial properties. For the full benefits it is recommended to use “cold pressed” neem oil mixed with an emulsifier (castile soap is what I use). Products that come “ready to use” usually are already emulsified and are produced in a way that reduces the amount of azadirachtin. Azadirachtin's primary mode of action is an anti-feedant, but it can also disrupt growth cycles, sterilize adults, and deter egg laying.

Liquid Copper
Liquid copper is a broad-spectrum fungicide and bactericide. It works by coating the plant surface and reacting with moisture. This released copper ions that kill bacteria and fungal spores. As with pretty much all fungicides, it is a preventative and will not “cure” existing infections. But it helps prevent spread. It works very well, but read labels carefully. Too much can be toxic to plants, and excess can build up in the soil.

Pyrethrin
Pyrethrin is naturally derived from chrysanthemum flowers. It is a contact insecticide with a very short residual.
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Pyrethrin affects an insect’s nervous system through a deadly toxic effect. Almost immediately upon contact with this compound, the insect dies from a form of paralysis. This effect is what makes pyrethrin a highly effective insecticide.

I’ve used a brand called Pyganic for a couple years and it works extremely well. Even kills stink bugs and leaf-footed bugs when used at the higher end of recommended concentration.

Spinosad
Another organic insecticide. I’ve never used it because there are claims that it can be harmful to beneficial insects as well as the bad ones. So I’ve never really taken the chance on it. And never really needed to. But it’s apparently extremely effective and targets many insects and caterpillars.

Thuricide
Very effective at killing caterpillars. The way it works is pretty brutal. The caterpillars eat it. Their high pH stomach breaks down the crystal bond releasing the bacterial spores. These bind to their intestines and cause tears. This causes them to become septic and die. I’ve used this stuff for years with great results. Many people get impatient with it because they expect immediate results. But the caterpillars usually take a few days to die. Good news is they do stop eating only hours after ingesting it. I find it a better long term solution to controlling caterpillars as opposed to contact poisons.

Hydrogen Peroxide
Since peroxide breaks down into just water and oxygen, it is considered organic in the garden. This is one of those things I wish I would’ve known about a long time ago. It is extremely cheap and effective. I use it as a fungal preventative during and after prolonged wet periods. As a foliar spray, and a root drench. Foliar application helps prevent fungal and bacterial diseases from taking hold, and a root drench prevents root rot and provides oxygen to the root zone.
Hydrogen Peroxide mixing chart for garden use
In the link above, I use the first chart when spraying as a preventative. If fungal disease does take hold, I mix using the second chart. I have successfully nursed really sickly plants back to health using peroxide. I am a firm believer in this stuff. Be careful when mixing. Make sure you know the percentage and mix accordingly. Most of the ones sold in stores are 3%.


Non-organic disease and pest management:

I won’t spend too much time on discussing how most non-organic methods work. Because it is pretty obvious that most of them are synthetic based chemicals that pretty much achieve the same result as the organic methods. Synthetics usually have longer residuals and are often times more effective because of it. I certainly don’t judge anyone for using non-organic methods. I use them occasionally as a last resort if organic methods are not enough. But I try to avoid them as much as possible.

Fungicides:
Daconil
Mancozeb

Insecticides:
Bonide Eight (permethrin)
Sevin dust

I’ve reached my character limit.
This post was edited on 1/15 at 9:03 pm


PillageUrVillage
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
I still have a few fall plants growing out in the garden. A few cabbages, brussel sprouts, and broccoli. Not many left, though. I am about have to start giving away carrots. I may have bitten off more than I can chew there. Got blackberries and strawberries that have been pretty idle throughout the cold weather so far. And garlic and onion over wintering. This is just a small amount. I still have a ton of carrots in a raised box.


I’ve been in quarantine with the Covid. Fortunately I have not had a single symptom. But I’ve been using my time off of work to accomplish a few things. Finally built a compost bin. I looked up some designs and threw one together with wood and chicken wire. I already got a good bit of crap in there.



I also finished up my beehive area. So, their home awaits.


I also built a temporary hot house out of PVC and plastic sheeting. I would eventually like to build a legit greenhouse. Maybe one day.


I have not started any seed yet. I recently planned out my garden, so I plan to start gathering seeds and supplies. Will probably start some tomatoes and peppers here in a couple weeks.


ETA: I also sent some soil samples off to the LSU soil lab this morning.
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SaDaTayMoses
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
When are you starting your tomato seeds?

nvm..I see you said in a few weeks. I have some seeds from last year and may start them this weekend.
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PillageUrVillage
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
I have a ton of Beefmaster seeds that I used for my fall crop leftover. I will definitely be growing those again. They were some big, delicious tomatoes. Last year I started my tomato plants on January 1st. By the time I was ready to transplant, they all were 2 feet tall and had flowers.

I decided to wait a little longer this year.


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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
Any tips/resources for building above ground garden boxes? I plan to build a couple with wheels that I can move around as needed.


bluemoons
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
In. I was super lazy with my fall garden. Grew some stuff but didn't put as much effort into it as I normally do. I started tomato and pepper seeds on the 11th. A bit later than I normally do but it'll do.


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PillageUrVillage
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
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Any tips/resources for building above ground garden boxes? I plan to build a couple with wheels that I can move around as needed.


I remember coming across a site a long time ago that had a bunch of free plans. I’m not sure if this was the same site, but this looks pretty neat.

Epic gardening raised bed plans


Stateguy
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
2 questions about what was in the 2020 garden thread that's gotten too big to look for

1. Recs for inside grow lights?

2. someone mentioned a weather station where you report data to a website. Anyone remember the name?


Bill Parker?
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
I replaced my fluorescent grow lights with LED grow lights last year. Big difference. Check Amazon... you'll find a ton of options. I went with two square 100w lights that gave the best coverage for my seedling trays. About $30 each. Plug them into a timer.



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convertedtiger
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
Yay! We are off and going for 2021!

I finally got around to clearing out my beds and planters after the last freeze. I have about half of the beds covered with sugar snap and snow peas. Very little growth so far after a month but all the plants look good and are about 1 foot to 18" tall. I broadcast seeded mustard and turnip greens and it is time to start thinning the herd. They are growing well. For the first time ever, I had an entire crop of collard green seeds fail to germinate. Literally only three plants out of over 60 seeds and they look weak. These were supposed to be fresh seed from Cleggs. I wound up just tilling the bed and it will sit for spring planting. Potatoes will go in the grow bags and wicking pots this weekend along with a shorter growing english pea variety.

My new 12"x 48" 40,000 LUX led light is due in today from Amazon. It will replace my two T5HO sets. I look forward to seeing how it works vs the T5 from last year. I have 2 300w 11x 22 LED grow lights that I used for indoor hydroponics last season as well. I may try a side by side comparison of these vs the bigger strip to see which performs better. It will depend on how much space I have left.

I am paring down my tomatoes by half this year. I have a pantry full of chopped, diced, sauce, and salsa from last season and still gave away dozens and dozens. I will try cucumbers and squash again because I am a glutton for punishment. I can grow anything but a good crop of either, it would seem. My 2 hydroponic squash plants indoors outperformed a dozen plants outdoors combined. I will try to plant them a little earlier this year and see what happens.

Good luck to every one this season and happy growing!


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Comic_Tiger
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
Still have broccoli, cabbage and cauliflower going. The cabbage was/is extremely slow.

Still have jalopenos going from last April. Tasty lil sonofaguns. Bellpepper too but it gets bitter if you don't grab it at the right time.

Bout to plant different radish varieties and one line of carrots. If I have any room left I'll do some greens.


bluemoons
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
I planted jalapenos and jimmy nardellos in pots this year. I got so damn lazy with my garden that I forgot to bring them inside one night when it got down into the 20's. So much for overwintering a couple of peppers.


PillageUrVillage
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
quote:

I planted jalapenos and jimmy nardellos


Have you ever grown Marconi? I picked up a pack of seeds from my local nursery. Figured I’d try them in place of Carmens this year since I’d have to order them.

Also, I’ll be adding some general pest control stuff to the OP. So any recommendations and reading material would be greatly appreciated.


bluemoons
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I grow them yearly in addition to Carmens. I like the Carmens better just because the plants make more, but Marconis are great for stuffing. They get really big. I don't top those plants. One thing with the Marconis is that I've found the need to support the branches as the season goes on. The peppers get so big and so heavy that even moderate wind will break branches.

Re: pest control, I use neem oil to the maximum extent that I can. If I need something stronger, I use permethrin or Bonide Eight.

I'd add the peroxide mixing info to the OP as well. Peroxide and/or bleach mixture has totally saved my tomatoes multiple times over the last few years.
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eng08
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Are they wilt resistant? I cannot seem to grow big tomatoes for some reason


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PillageUrVillage
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
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I'd add the peroxide mixing info to the OP as well. Peroxide and/or bleach mixture has totally saved my tomatoes multiple times over the last few years.


Great idea. I’m back to work today, so I’ll add more up there later.

And thanks for the info on marconis. I’ll see how I like them.

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Are they wilt resistant?


The beefmasters? They are resistant to anthracnose, fusarium wilt, verticillium wilt, spotted wilt virus, gray leaf spot, and root knot nematodes.
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LSUlefty
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
Started my tomato seeds indoors last weekend. Gonna wait a couple of weeks on the beds.


Sidicous
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re: The 2021 Garden Thread
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And thanks for the info on marconis. I’ll see how I like them.
Pretty sure you'll love 'em. I grew some the Summer/Fall before Dad died with jalapenos and Santa Fe chilis and bells.

I like the marconis as stuffers way better than bells. Just a way milder less overpowering flavor. Same with soups and stews. With marconis you'll get a great pepper flavor without the unmistakable "yep, there's peppers in this" at the immediate bite. Also means those 9pm belches aren't as flavorful too.


PillageUrVillage
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Pretty sure you'll love 'em


Great! I think I’m most interested in grilling and roasting them. I did that with the carmens last year and they were fantastic. But I’ll definitely try a few things if I get a bumper crop.

I’ve updated the OP with a bunch of information. I’ve reached my character limit. But I think I got some pretty good general info up there. We can flesh out specifics or discuss other options throughout the thread if anyone finds it necessary or has further questions.

Creating and updating this thread has gotten me antsy. So I’m going to start some seeds over the weekend. I’ve waited long enough.

Also, I pulled up some more carrots yesterday. These are definitely the best ones I’ve ever grown!
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CheEngineer
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Started my tomato seeds indoors last weekend. Gonna wait a couple of weeks on the beds.



Started mine this weekend


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