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Please school me on all things raised gardens

Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:47 am
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
2190 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:47 am
I have a bunch of treated 2x8x8' and 2x10x8' boards in my garage that I need to do something with. My wife has been wanting me to build her a raised vegetable garden for a while now. I just haven't done it because I know nothing about it as far as how tall, what to fill it with, do I have to scrape up the grass first, etc. I've watched a few youtube vidoes on it, but they were differing style, so not sure what way to go. Can someone with a lot of experience with this please help me?
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
19879 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:54 am to
Lesson 1: looking up info on raised gardens is much less work than maintaining one.
Posted by BlackPot
Member since Oct 2016
2392 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:57 am to
Just make a box the size you want. I just made one with some 1x6, just doubled the size. I threw in some branches on the bottom and I had a big pile of dirt in my yard from some work I did. Fill that about 1/3 of the way with that, then I used garden soil from the store the rest of the way. Planted veggies and now they are growing. Don't make it too complicated.

Start small, if you enjoy it, then make more.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17898 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:01 am to
You can make it as complicated or easy as you want. Your results will vary, but if the result is getting your wife off your arse and letting her see how much work keeping one up is, that’s easy to accomplish.

Dirt isn’t cheap. You’ll pay way more to fill it than build it. No need to scrape the ground, but breaking it up can help if you’re not going at least 8” tall. It needs a way to drain to prevent root rot, so don’t add any liner or anything of the sort.

The hardest part of getting a raised bed/container to produce is keeping them watered AND fertilized. They dry out quick, you water more and rinse out the fertilizer, then see deficiencies. Drip irrigation on a hose timer with consistent fertilization is the only way I’ve found to get them to produce.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28707 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:19 am to
Desodding grass is a bitch. Doing it by hand isn't fun, but you have to do it, or go rent a sodding machine. You can't leave the grass there and killing it takes forever, and then you have chemicals in the ground where you're trying to grow vegetables.
You can be a doofus like me and actually desod it by hand and roll up the sod to go put it somewhere else, or simply just dig up the grass/soil about 4-6" deep not caring about keeping the sod. One of those is a lot easier than the other.

I've got quite a few raised beds now, and just added two more in the last 2 weeks. 2x8's or 2x10's is more than enough. If you just want one row, it needs to be about 20" wide. Make sure you put it somewhere that gets a good bit of sun. Make sure you have room to walk around the beds to pick the vegetables. I've really enjoyed having two seperate raised beds seperated by a walk way inbetween them and then building a trellis between them so things like cucumbers and beans can grow up them and you can walk underneath it.

If you have a dog, there's a really good chance he's going to love this new fresh soil and will dig all up in it.

I originally bought the bagged raised garden mix from Cleggs that's from LSU. That gets expensive though. It's like $8 for a 1 cubic foot, when you can get a yard of garden soil dumped into the back of your truck for $45 (27 cubic feet).
It's not hard to calculate how much you need. just get your l x w in feet and divide it by 2 (assuming 6' depth). I put about 6-8" depth garden soil and then before planting will put a 2" layer of Black Kow. I'll also add some fertilizer to the garden soil and water it in well for about a week before planting.
I haven't used the bulk garden soil before, but I'm sure it'll be fine. One thing i noticed with it though is there's a ton of wood chips in it, and the soil can get a bit clumpy. Probably not a big deal for most crops, but if you're growing carrots or potatoes you want very loose soil. You can always add stuff later to help with that though. You're not going to get those wood chips or chunks in the bagged stuff, and there will be more sand in the bagged stuff so it's a good bit more ideal.
So if you don't care about spending extra money, then go with the raised soil bags. I still put the 2" layer of Black Kow on top of that as well before every planting.

If you're in South Louisiana, go get the LSU fruit and vegetable garden booklet.



and yes you're going to want to run some water to them for automatic watering. Last summer if you weren't watering your vegetables 2-3 times a day during the day, they were going to die b/c it was so hot and we weren't getting any rain.
I just dug a simple trench and buried a garden hose to my raised beds, just used PVC at the garden to connect to the hose and then have a faucet that i can attach an automatic watering system too.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 9:24 am
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
2190 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:25 am to
Good stuff fellas. I dont plan on maintaining this thing. That will strictly be up to the wife who works from home. A few specific questions I have is should i put cardboard down first as I have seen on one of the videos. Also, should it be built in a fully sun lit area or can a partially sunny and shaded area suffice?
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
6620 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:29 am to
This kind of blows up the reason for your project, but I've never been keen on growing food in treated lumber. I know the newer chemical bath is supposed to be much safer (I think it is now copper based?)

I used a double stack of composite landscape timbers (plastic w/sawdust) to build mine and they've lasted 15 years.

I fill mine with mostly garden soil purchased in bulk from the local nursery + peat moss + course vermiculite + composted chicken manure.

Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
86975 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:37 am to
Here is one I built for my friend's mom in cedar. I would definitely make sure the depth (and width) are what you need because there is no going back and adding inches.







They are meant to be rugged b/c they will get beat up by the sun, rain and weather in general. Also, make sure it has drain holes on the bottom b/c you don't want standing water in there. Good luck in your build!
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22493 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:23 am to
I just built one 2 months ago in a rectangular shape with 2x12s, 12 ft long by 6 ft wide I cut one 2x12 in half. Wasn't worth it to save the $8 in lumber to do double 2x6 or any other crazy design. Half the web hates treated wood half say its fine with current chemicals. Frick it I just went with it.

My garden only gets 6-8 hours of sun, I don't love the location but I needed to cut down some mature trees to move it and I've been putting it off and off and off so I just went with it.

Tomato's are growing like crazy as well as everything else.

I'd say don't overthink it, just start and go.

I didn't kill the grass underneath, just went with it.

I got 2 truckloads of 1/4 yard each. Not quite enough, which was fine. But the dirt company mixed 1/2 "compost" and half topsoil. That's done just fine for me.

None of what I did was the best option, but its been great so far.
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
1918 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:23 am to
quote:

should i put cardboard down first


I've only built raised beds once but did put a thick layer of old cardboard boxes down, just scalped the grass with weedeater. Cardboard worked great.

If you're fencing around them make sure to leave space around the beds for a mower and the gate wide enough too. Same for a wheelbarrow or whatever else.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5614 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:39 am to
quote:

do I have to scrape up the grass first, etc.

No need to remove/scrap grass - cardboard, newspaper, or just spray grass with a non-selective herbicide like glyphosate (“Roundup”) - if it happened to be Bermudagrass I’d spray it first.
Posted by ApisMellifera
SWLA
Member since Apr 2023
587 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:41 am to
You can go as tall as you want, but keep in mind that the taller you go, the more volume you have to fill. I used 2 dog ears to make my borders and I find it to be a good height.

What ever you do, don't use fill dirt/clay. A lot of people will just get a couple of scoops of prepared bed dirt from a local nursery. It ends up a lot cheaper than the bagged dirt at the box stores.

quote:

should i put cardboard down first as I have seen on one of the videos.


I did this with my raised beds and it has worked well. I laid it right on top of the grass. I have a hybrid bermuda grass which is pretty aggressive and it has only poked through at the very edges of my beds. Which leads me to my next point...

Extend the cardboard past the bed edge and cover with mulch, gravel, or something else. This will help prevent the problem I have of grass growing up the sides. This will also give your wife the freedom to spray any grass creeping down low without worrying about hitting her veggies.

Something like this:


quote:

Also, should it be built in a fully sun lit area or can a partially sunny and shaded area suffice?


That depends on what your wife wants to grow. If she wants a typical vegetable garden, I'd go full sun or mostly sun with afternoon shade to give the plants a break from the summer heat. If you have to choose between morning sun or afternoon, always take morning sun.
Posted by ABucks11
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
1208 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:41 pm to
Consider the location and how the sun changes now vs winter. My raised garden was built in late spring time and I located it for full sun. Come the fall/winter and half of it is shaded by the fence. I ended up having to move it over 5ft.
Posted by Marlo Stanfield
Member since Aug 2008
2190 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:02 pm to
This is all great information. Way more than I was expecting. I know it depends on the crops, but is it even worth building right now or should I wait until spring or fall to build it. I guess my question is, is it too late/hot to actually grow anything this year?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
28707 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:06 pm to
kind of yes.
unless you want to grow okra or hot peppers, you aren't planting anything until september.
Posted by LSUlefty
Youngsville, LA
Member since Dec 2007
27431 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:33 pm to
Get rid of the grass first.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
17031 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

Desodding grass is a bitch. Doing it by hand isn't fun, but you have to do it, or go rent a sodding machine. You can't leave the grass there


Why?

I've built several raised beds on top of Bermuda and I've never had issues. Build the box, within the walls of the box spray Round Up, put down landscape fabric edge to edge, put down some old cardboard edge to edge, add organic material like sticks and leaves, fill in with whatever cheap dirt and a maybe a little compost mix, then the good garden soil on top.

I guess in the last 7-8 years I haven't dug all the way to the bottom so I don't know if the Bermuda has broken through, but it certainly hasn't surfaced in the raised beds. They're about 2.5' deep/off the ground.


ETA:

I did seed bermuda once and some seed blew into one of our beds unknowingly and it started to grow. We were panicking pulling it out, but that was a year ago and haven't seen it since.

So be careful with seeding bermuda next to your beds!

This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 3:14 pm
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5614 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

I guess my question is, is it too late/hot to actually grow anything this year?

As TeddyP stated, you could plant okra & hot peppers if built now, on the other hand, I’ll often plant annual flowers in my raised beds, like zinnias & sunflowers for cut flowers, in mid-summer before fall-winter vegetable planting - perhaps your wife might enjoy that. So your call when you want to build them.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
17031 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:22 pm to
Also great to have them built so you're ready to go next year. Might as well if you'll inevitably do it.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
22493 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

Also great to have them built so you're ready to go next year. Might as well if you'll inevitably do it.


This. If you have the motivation and time build them now. Learn what you can. Plant some peppers and maybe some cherry tomatoes.

Plant a fall crop. Then be ready to go for next year.
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