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Natural Gas Crawfish Burner - Info and Build

Posted on 4/21/23 at 5:31 pm
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3794 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 5:31 pm
When I added a tap and converted my generator to NG after Ida in 2022, I've wanted to get a NG crawfish burner. I've always heard that propane is far superior and that NG is difficult due to the low pressure and heat capacity. The last few weeks I started researching and looking into the options, both existing and possibilities.

Previous TD Threads on the Topic:
H&G Thread from Feb. 2023
OB Thread from 2018
F&D Thread from 2020

I also researched the commercially available options:
St. Romain Cooker - $600
Tejas Smokers - $400+
G4 Natural Gas Burner - Discontinued
King Cooker 5 Jet Burner - $225 - This one is a cheaper option, but has a very low heat output so I wasn't sure about it. Wanted something similar to the above burners as far as BTUs/heat.

I started looking at individual burners, and found these were pretty common. For example, the same website had this 32 Jet NG Burner available for fairly cheap.

I ultimately decided to build my own!

I was going to mimic the Tejas Smokers overall design with a 32 jet NG burner. I figured I could buy the burner, angle iron, and all the material for <$200. A couple days of cutting and welding and I'd be ready to go. I already have the 3/4" nominal ID hose and 3/4" quick connects from my generator setup.

I started with this 32 Jet NG Burner from Amazon.


I wanted an idea of how many BTUs I could have, so I did some math to estimate it for this burner. Based on my minimum regulator pressure of 8inWC and 32 1.3mm orifice tips, I came up with 260k BTUs. Which is pretty damn impressive, if even half true.

One of the primary concerns/issues/discrepancies that I was reading was the distance from burner tips to bottom of pot. While this burner did not explicitly list any recommendations, similar ones on the internet mentioned anywhere from 10-12" away. The reasoning was both for optimum burner operation and to prevent damaging the pot.

Once it arrived, I decided the first action was to test it out. The test apparatus was not ideal, but it gave me an idea of the burner's ability along with some idea on spacing. The wind absolutely ate me up, but it was a successful burner test.


Once I had the burner tested for functionality, I decided to start building the final burner stand. I decided on 8" tip to bottom spacing based on the previous test results and the information found online. The idea is this is enough space to get full combustion, but not too far to lose a ton of heat.

The initial top frame:


Assembly and tacked together:


Burner Mocked up:


In this semi-finished mockup, I decided to run the test again. I had a baseline with my single jet propane burner of 24 minutes to boil, so anything close to that would be successful.


It boiled in just under 20 minutes. The wind started to pick up quite a bit at the end, but it was still a very successful test. You can see it got red hot under the pot, along with the shroud getting fairly hot as well.

After this successful test, I disassembled everything, cleaned it up, painted with 1200°F paint, then reassembled it. It's now ready to go for the next crawfish boil!



Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
90483 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 6:14 pm to
I feel like this could have been a Mythbusters episode.

Rig looks great
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14691 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 7:21 pm to
How much do you want for it?
Posted by BiggerBear
Redbone Country
Member since Sep 2011
2923 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 8:00 pm to
quote:

It boiled in just under 20 minutes.


How much water did it boil?
Posted by skeetandtrap
Houston
Member since Nov 2011
105 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 8:47 pm to
Looks good. I build a similar one few years back as well that runs off NG

Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3794 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:20 pm to
quote:

How much water did it boil?


I didn’t measure it out, but the same amount as the reference propane test (I marked the pot).

It was a little less than the normal amount used in a 100 qt pot.

I also had the lid open for each test because I was taking temps every 5 mins.
Posted by BiggerBear
Redbone Country
Member since Sep 2011
2923 posts
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:43 pm to
So, assuming 50 quarts, or 12.5 gallons in 20 minutes that comes to about 45,000 btu/hr that went into the water. At 260,000 btu/hr burner, that's about 17% efficiency. That is about right for a pot on a burner. And that's not any slam attempt, that means that your NG burner is doing about the same as a high pressure propane burner.
This post was edited on 4/21/23 at 10:13 pm
Posted by dillpickleLSU
Philadelphia, PA
Member since Oct 2005
26269 posts
Posted on 4/22/23 at 6:58 am to
I bought a 125k btu banjo style burner off of Amazon and an extra orifice and drilled it for natural gas…so far I’ve only cooked a jambalaya on it, but it should boils crawfish
Posted by MrBobDobalina
BRo.LA
Member since Oct 2011
2991 posts
Posted on 4/22/23 at 3:07 pm to
Sick build dude, think I'm gonna copy you pretty close to have one for my house. Tired of carrying the tank back and forth to the garage
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11500 posts
Posted on 4/22/23 at 3:20 pm to
Any pre fab stands we can put these burners in? Not the texas$$$ ones.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3794 posts
Posted on 4/22/23 at 6:00 pm to
quote:

Any pre fab stands we can put these burners in? Not the texas$$$ ones.

In a couple of the threads I linked, there’s some people who swapped them into cheaper burner stands. They will work that way, but I’m not sure they are optimal, especially if you keep the same distance. I know at least one person who did it this way and the bottom of their pot was always black and sooted up because it doesn’t get enough air for combustion.

I looked around at this option, but with the cost of the NG burner at $60-70 and even a cheap burner stand costing $70+, I figured I’d try my hand at it.

I need an excuse for a little project anyway.
Posted by PenguinPubes
Frozen Tundra
Member since Jan 2018
10800 posts
Posted on 4/22/23 at 7:52 pm to
You wanna sell one to me? How much you charge???
Posted by gerald65
Moss Bluff, LA
Member since Jul 2020
710 posts
Posted on 4/22/23 at 11:13 pm to
How would you compare the noise level of the new natural gas burner that you built to a jet burner or a banjo burner?

Also, just wondering ---- If you made another burner, would you keep the burner to pot measurement at 8 inches or would you change just a little up or down some?
This post was edited on 4/22/23 at 11:18 pm
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3794 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:38 am to
quote:

How would you compare the noise level of the new natural gas burner that you built to a jet burner or a banjo burner?

It’s not exactly quiet, but it’s definitely not obnoxiously loud like a jet burner. Maybe on the order of a jet burner turned down real low, or maybe slightly quieter.

quote:

Also, just wondering ---- If you made another burner, would you keep the burner to pot measurement at 8 inches or would you change just a little up or down some?

Good question. My initial plan was to play with that distance and see if I could “optimize” it. I got a little weld happy and didn’t get a chance to do that. That 8” was based on a rough estimate from the open air test. I would have liked to test 10” and 6”.
Posted by gerald65
Moss Bluff, LA
Member since Jul 2020
710 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:30 am to
BTW.... great welding skills, it looks great.

Another note: In your final test picture, I see what looks to be about a 3/4 inch distance between the bottom of the pot and the burner frame. I guess trial and error is really to only way to determine what this distance should be. Yours seems to work good.

I have a "home" made burner, and it did not have a large enough "gap" to allow proper space for the gasses to escape under the pot. I have to place 1/4" thick flat bar to raise the pot a little for the burner to work correctly.
I let family members use this burner one time, and they did not put the 1/4" flat bar on the top of the burner causing the flame to be "choked" off and it would not heat the water. They used a different burner to cook that day. I found about this later.

Another note: I see the BTU rating on this burner is much different on Amazon vs one of the suppliers on one of your links. I wonder which rating is more accurate?
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3794 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 11:18 am to
quote:

Another note: In your final test picture, I see what looks to be about a 3/4 inch distance between the bottom of the pot and the burner frame.

Lol, I actually had this typed up in the last reply but deleted it. The TejasSmokers version has the angle open to the top. Once I built the square I thought it looked a lot better flush. But I hadn’t considered the air gap between the pot. The gap is right at 3/4”-7/8”, but I think it may be a little too wide.

quote:

Another note: I see the BTU rating on this burner is much different on Amazon vs one of the suppliers on one of your links. I wonder which rating is more accurate?

Yes, I noticed this as well, along with the absent spacing recommendation. After reading through the Amazon listing, I found the orifice size for the NG jets. Based on my [minimum] gas pressure, I calculated a similar rating as the other burners of ~10k per jet. That’s where the potential BTU rating of 260k came from.
Posted by skinny domino
sebr
Member since Feb 2007
14335 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 12:48 pm to
quote:

Rig looks great
Posted by zeto
BR
Member since Oct 2006
1217 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 1:36 pm to
I'd love to have one of these built. I already have the 32 jet burner.
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
12975 posts
Posted on 4/23/23 at 6:38 pm to
anyone thought of increasing pot efficiency by welding aluminum heat sinks to the bottom of a pot?

normally used for electronics, you can buy a big assortment of heat sinks from this website and they sell by unit length, they can make really big ones

https://www.heatsinkusa.com/
This post was edited on 4/23/23 at 6:41 pm
Posted by TCO
Member since Jul 2022
2462 posts
Posted on 4/24/23 at 3:03 pm to
Nice fab work baw.
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