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Deciding on a new mower, recommendations needed
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:01 am
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:01 am
I have a yard and also cut my neighbors. I have a 42” tractor and it is taking forever to do both. any recommendations on a mower around 5-6k? I’ve looked at the entry level commercial Deere, scag, never heard of bad boy but reviews look good?
I would prefer a “commercial” mower just so it will last probably forever and I’m sure they cut much better
TIA
I would prefer a “commercial” mower just so it will last probably forever and I’m sure they cut much better
TIA
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:06 am to PenguinPubes
I have a Hustler Raptor 42" that's been great
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:07 am to PenguinPubes
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I have a 42” tractor and it is taking forever to do both.
So I assume you want bigger?
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would prefer a “commercial” mower
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around 5-6k?
You’d probably have to look for a used one at that price. I like Gravely and the Pro Turn’s (commercial model) start at about $9k brand new. But you can get the ZT HD in 60” for about $7k brand new.
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:09 am to PenguinPubes
I have a Gravely ProTurn that I purchased off FB marketplace for a great price.
The local dealer picks it up, services it and drops it back off.
Factor in local service when making a purchase.
The local dealer picks it up, services it and drops it back off.
Factor in local service when making a purchase.
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:11 am to PillageUrVillage
Doesn’t have to be bigger, just want to go faster. The yards are an acre each give or take and it’s taking me almost 2 hours of mow time.
Home Depot has a 54” deere that’s tempting me but I’ve heard either really good or really bad about Deere stuff.
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Home Depot has a 54” deere that’s tempting me but I’ve heard either really good or really bad about Deere stuff.
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This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:15 am to ItzMe1972
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Factor in local service when making a purchase.
Definitely. Southland Engine has been good to me. Bought my Gravely and get my service and parts from the Carencro location.
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:24 am to PenguinPubes
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Home Depot has a 54” deere that’s tempting me but I’ve heard either really good or really bad about Deere stuff.
Look at the Gravely ZT-X and ZT-XL and compare them. Comparable price with welded decks instead of stamped. Kawasaki engine. You get a better product for the price IMO. I have a 10 year old Gravely that has been bulletproof. I’ll probably be upgrading this year.
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:27 am to PenguinPubes
don't buy the box store version. Find a local dealer that carries what you want and can do service for you. Been very satisfied with my 2017 Gravely ZTHD 60". Runs like a champ. Only thing I have had to do is take to dealer for regular maintenance and I have replace a couple belts.
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:32 am to PenguinPubes
I bought a gravely and absolutely love it. Proturn 260 and it cost me about 11k but worth every penny
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:51 am to PenguinPubes
I’m currently in the market for a Gravely ZT-HD. There’s been several threads in the past on recommendations of mowers. Hustler, Gravely, Scag, Bad Boy, etc. are all quality brands. Stay away from box store brands/models. Make sure you review the components when comparing models.
This opinion/perspective always bothers me. Is a commercial mower, for a residential mower where you’re cutting 2-3 hrs a week max, really necessary? You’re putting maybe 50-60 hrs a year on the mower. A commercial machine is gonna be 2-3x the cost of a quality residential/prosumer model. A quality mower is gonna last a while on a typical residential use. You can buy and replace that commercial machine several times with a very good residential mower, and take advantage of new technology, new warranty, etc.
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I would prefer a “commercial” mower just so it will last probably forever and I’m sure they cut much better
This opinion/perspective always bothers me. Is a commercial mower, for a residential mower where you’re cutting 2-3 hrs a week max, really necessary? You’re putting maybe 50-60 hrs a year on the mower. A commercial machine is gonna be 2-3x the cost of a quality residential/prosumer model. A quality mower is gonna last a while on a typical residential use. You can buy and replace that commercial machine several times with a very good residential mower, and take advantage of new technology, new warranty, etc.
Posted on 3/10/22 at 11:08 am to PenguinPubes
You're not touching anything new that is commercial unless you're at 10k.
And you don't need a true commercial unit for 2 yards. Get the nicest Scag or Bad Boy that is in your price range and it will perform very well for you.
I used to own a landscape business (just businesses, not residential) in my opinion, I wouldn't buy a brand that owned by a larger brand that makes crappy stuff. (MTD, Ariens, etc)
And you don't need a true commercial unit for 2 yards. Get the nicest Scag or Bad Boy that is in your price range and it will perform very well for you.
I used to own a landscape business (just businesses, not residential) in my opinion, I wouldn't buy a brand that owned by a larger brand that makes crappy stuff. (MTD, Ariens, etc)
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 11:50 am
Posted on 3/10/22 at 11:09 am to PenguinPubes
Google Spartan mowers and read story. Replaced my 54" JD Z810 commercial after drive motor destroyed itself and cannot find a replacement motor because JD had Parker build special unit for just for them then just three years later discontinued the whole line. I replaced it with a a 54" Spartan with a Kawasaki mtr late last cutting season. Only cut with it a few times and really like it. I cut about 4 acres. ps JD parts are stupid high!!!!
Posted on 3/10/22 at 11:12 am to PenguinPubes
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commercial” mower
Definitely not necessary. When I went through this 2 years ago I ended up with a John deer z375r I think. Big residential mower which was about 4500 out the door. I cut 3 acres with it weekly and cannot see where a commercial mower would have benefited me any. It only has 100 hours on it after 2 years, and the machine should be good for 1000 hours easily. With a commercial machine you're paying a whole lot for something that is designed to last 4-5k hours, which will take a regular homeowner 50 years to accumulate.
Posted on 3/10/22 at 11:26 am to El Segundo Guy
I'll also add that in my opinion, with a mower you don't need to be overly concerned with dealer support and distance. The only time a mower should go back to the dealer is warranty issues (which should be very rare on a quality residential machine). You can get OEM or knock off parts sent right to your door. Mowers are very easy to work on. I once had a nice Ferris for over 10 years that never saw a dealer. My current mower is on year 7 amd it will never see a dealer since the day I bought it.
Posted on 3/10/22 at 12:54 pm to El Segundo Guy
The Gravely down voters get their feelings hurt but instead of a response, it's a down vote. Ariens bought Gravely for the name and moved their production to the Ariens factory. The higher end mowers then get painted red and puts a G on them. Not that they are bad mowers, but it's the damn truth. Once corporate bean counters get involved after an acquisition, quality always declines.
I used to love the suspension and ride on the Ferris until they were bought out by Briggs & Scrapiron and the cost cutting measures hurt their quality.
I used to love Gravely, but know what you're buying.
I used to love the suspension and ride on the Ferris until they were bought out by Briggs & Scrapiron and the cost cutting measures hurt their quality.
I used to love Gravely, but know what you're buying.
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/10/22 at 5:32 pm to PenguinPubes
I have a 52” Scag Patriot. About to start it’s fourth season. It has right at 200 hours on it.
Zero problems with it. Kawasaki engine. I change the oil and filter every 50 hours.
I cannot remember exactly what I paid but, it was around $6000 out the door. It is called a commercial/residential. The deck is thick and the mower is well built. I recommend it based on my personal experience.
Zero problems with it. Kawasaki engine. I change the oil and filter every 50 hours.
I cannot remember exactly what I paid but, it was around $6000 out the door. It is called a commercial/residential. The deck is thick and the mower is well built. I recommend it based on my personal experience.
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:08 pm to jake wade
Check craigslist or FB marketplace for a used commercial unit. Some can be had at a bargain.
PSA - Just did a quick look on FB marketplace and they have several good deals. Had a Scag with 250hrs for $4300. That's incredible if its legit.
PSA - Just did a quick look on FB marketplace and they have several good deals. Had a Scag with 250hrs for $4300. That's incredible if its legit.
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:22 pm to PenguinPubes
I sold a few lines before I retired and got out of the business.
$4k to $6K you can get a prosumer unit in most major brands that will get you where you want to be.
Really want to look at the transmission usually Hydro-gear ZT 28 to ZT 30 is fine.
You don't need a Parker pump transmission.
Most brands are decent in this price range and most brands should have a fab deck.
Stamp decks are usually used in lower end units and gives you a good air flow with a smaller engine to lift the grass for a good quality of cut. They are made for neighborhood lawns not field cutting.
I sold alot of brands and I liked the Cub Cadet ZTX series which was a solid unit along with Gravely, Hustler, Toro, Exmark. Bad Boy makes a nice deck along with spartan, but the spindles use to piss my customers off. I have not seen the 2022 units as I retired in 2021. Finding units might be tough, so don't wait as mfg are still cutting dealers orders from what I am hearing.
The thing is to find you a good dealer who will service your product in a timely manner vs a dealer that will put you on the back burner to take care of their larger customers.
Biggest thing I use to see are the transmission especially if people do not change the filters and oil. Engine that is fairly easy change the filter and oil initially after 5 to 10 hours and then after that around 50 hours which is once a year for the avg homeowner.
$4k to $6K you can get a prosumer unit in most major brands that will get you where you want to be.
Really want to look at the transmission usually Hydro-gear ZT 28 to ZT 30 is fine.
You don't need a Parker pump transmission.
Most brands are decent in this price range and most brands should have a fab deck.
Stamp decks are usually used in lower end units and gives you a good air flow with a smaller engine to lift the grass for a good quality of cut. They are made for neighborhood lawns not field cutting.
I sold alot of brands and I liked the Cub Cadet ZTX series which was a solid unit along with Gravely, Hustler, Toro, Exmark. Bad Boy makes a nice deck along with spartan, but the spindles use to piss my customers off. I have not seen the 2022 units as I retired in 2021. Finding units might be tough, so don't wait as mfg are still cutting dealers orders from what I am hearing.
The thing is to find you a good dealer who will service your product in a timely manner vs a dealer that will put you on the back burner to take care of their larger customers.
Biggest thing I use to see are the transmission especially if people do not change the filters and oil. Engine that is fairly easy change the filter and oil initially after 5 to 10 hours and then after that around 50 hours which is once a year for the avg homeowner.
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 3/10/22 at 9:58 pm to johnnyrocket
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The thing is to find you a good dealer who will service your product in a timely manner vs a dealer that will put you on the back burner to take care of their larger customers.
Biggest thing I use to see are the transmission especially if people do not change the filters and oil. Engine that is fairly easy change the filter and oil initially after 5 to 10 hours and then after that around 50 hours which is once a year for the avg homeowner.
I respect your opinions on all of that as someone who was on the opposite side of the business. However, for the average home owner, I would say that dealer assistance is not as important these days. Just like when someone buys a new vehicle, outside of warranty work it really never goes back to the dealer for service. If you can do rudimentary maintenance, dealer support is negligible for homeowners.
Posted on 3/10/22 at 10:50 pm to El Segundo Guy
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If you can do rudimentary maintenance, dealer support is negligible for homeowners.
LOL, as a dealer we do nearly $3 mil annually in parts and labor, but no they don’t need us. We keep 9 mechanics busy working 40hrs a week year round, but they don’t need us. We run 2 pickup/delivery trucks full time just to pickup and deliver customers mowers for service, but they don’t need us. That’s with 80% residential customer business, most large commercial operations have their own service departments. We do all that and we only service 3 mower brands.
Many customers can’t even route a belt correctly. Many customers would rather pay us to service their mower while they play golf or fish. Not everyone needs a dealer but ask the guy who has a brand with no place for service if he wishes he’d bought from a dealer.
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