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At what point does a house become too much of a fixer upper that it’s restrictive?
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:33 am
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:33 am
Wife and I are currently looking at a house that’s 3500 square feet on an acre in a great area. Listed at $550K but it’s been on the market for a while so I think we could go lower on the price. Good looking house, that we love enough to buy. The house is in a suburb of Dallas so it’s a really low price for the area.
The only drawback is that it was built in 1984 and doesn’t look like it’s been updated since then. Kitchen, all bathrooms, all flooring, paint, exterior brick, all that needs to be updated.
I think this could be a great investment…or a house that we never move from. We really like this house a lot.
What would something like all that realistically cost us if we didn’t do any of the labor ourselves?
Eta: I feel like I should add that I’d be getting a VA loan for the house if that makes any difference to y’all
The only drawback is that it was built in 1984 and doesn’t look like it’s been updated since then. Kitchen, all bathrooms, all flooring, paint, exterior brick, all that needs to be updated.
I think this could be a great investment…or a house that we never move from. We really like this house a lot.
What would something like all that realistically cost us if we didn’t do any of the labor ourselves?
Eta: I feel like I should add that I’d be getting a VA loan for the house if that makes any difference to y’all
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:40 am to grizzlylongcut
You could easily be talking 200k+. Nobody will be able to tell you without knowing what the current finishes are etc and what you are looking to do.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 7:49 am to grizzlylongcut
Whatever you think it may cost, double it. Been down that road. Cost a fortune more than expected. And that was before Covid. You have all that inside that you mentioned plus any exterior problems or updates plus landscaping, fencing, patio updates, etc, etc. it’s all really expensive and worse if aren’t doing any yourself. We had $300+k in the rehab but a lot can vary based on what you want to do.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 8:13 am to grizzlylongcut
I bought a fixer upper in 2016 because I couldn’t afford to buy a new house with a large yard in a good area of Ascension so I had to get an older home that needed lots of updates. It’s always a project with something to do. I’m just now getting to the point where I can start slowing down and enjoying life again so unless you hire out all the projects, be prepared to miss LOTS of family time. It’s very satisfying knowing you’re doing it yourself, though.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 8:22 am to grizzlylongcut
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What would something like all that realistically cost us if we didn’t do any of the labor ourselves?
A fricking lot. Look, take it from me, if you’re having doubts about the house draining all of your time and/or money for too long, then walk away.
I’ve done this in my house and it cost me over $175k just for the house “updates.” And I did a TON of the work myself. shite gets expensive fast. And I am sick of working on my house.
Some examples:
Floors were $25k for wood throughout (except bathrooms, entry, laundry, and kitchen).
Our kitchen, laundry, and mudroom renovation was around $80k - and I did a lot of the work and subbed out what I didn’t.
Paint for the exterior bricks and soffit was easily $4,000 - my wife and I did the painting.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 8:29 am to grizzlylongcut
I've always been a "fixer-upper" type and have done 3 houses in my home buying adult life. I don't regret a single one of them.
One thing is for certain-----you either learn how to do the work yourself or you write the checks for someone else to do it.
The first will cost for materials and the time it takes away from more fun things to do with the family while the second option disposes of your disposable income drastically as you write checks for someone else to do it for you. And hopefully, that someone does a good job and doesn't screw you over.
Here's a quick breakdown of the last big project I did.
I had to completely gut and redo the ground floor of my house after Katrina's floodwaters did their thing. I got my insurance payout and figured if I had someone else do it, I would have likely come close to breaking even.
I did it myself and on top of getting things back in order, I also replaced the truck and motorcycle I lost, paid off the remaining balance on the house and had money left over to do a few upgrades on the 2nd floor.
I'm a very firm believer in "sweat equity".
One thing is for certain-----you either learn how to do the work yourself or you write the checks for someone else to do it.
The first will cost for materials and the time it takes away from more fun things to do with the family while the second option disposes of your disposable income drastically as you write checks for someone else to do it for you. And hopefully, that someone does a good job and doesn't screw you over.
Here's a quick breakdown of the last big project I did.
I had to completely gut and redo the ground floor of my house after Katrina's floodwaters did their thing. I got my insurance payout and figured if I had someone else do it, I would have likely come close to breaking even.
I did it myself and on top of getting things back in order, I also replaced the truck and motorcycle I lost, paid off the remaining balance on the house and had money left over to do a few upgrades on the 2nd floor.
I'm a very firm believer in "sweat equity".
Posted on 3/3/24 at 8:31 am to lnomm34
Did you do it all at one time?
I think the flooring is the only immediate need. But it’s essentially two floors of carpet that needs to be ripped up and replaced.
I think the flooring is the only immediate need. But it’s essentially two floors of carpet that needs to be ripped up and replaced.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 8:34 am
Posted on 3/3/24 at 9:45 am to grizzlylongcut
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I think the flooring is the only immediate need. But it’s essentially two floors of carpet that needs to be ripped up and replaced.
I believe in working from the top down, i.e. painting ceilings, walls and trim first, replacing kitchen and bathroom cabinets and any other work done first.
The last thing I do are the floors, especially if going with wood flooring to minimize any potential damage to them.
I know old carpet sucks, but while they are there, they are as useful as putting down a tarp, or just rip it up if too soiled and work over your slab or subfloor.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 9:58 am to grizzlylongcut
What’s est appraisal value?
Go from there, might have enough to contract Reno.
Go from there, might have enough to contract Reno.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:00 am to grizzlylongcut
Exterior brick needs updating?
How long has it been on the market? Just wondering why some investor hasn't snatched it up.
How long has it been on the market? Just wondering why some investor hasn't snatched it up.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:00 am to grizzlylongcut
You say the house has been on the market for a while. WHY? There must be an underlying issue. Most places are gone before they even hit the market, if they are a deal or desirable.
A lot of the time, once you start peeling that onion, there will be a multitude of other problems you will need to address. And that can easily cost 3 times more than the budget.
Contractors are another issue. Seen it so many times. Contractor is either not on your wavelength or they take the money and run. Vett them thoroughly.
Always make a budget and try to stick to it.
Last, are you a handyman. Be honest with yourself. Can you plumb in a bathroom? Instal Sheetrock. Change out an electrical panel. You need to watch the movie Money Pit.
There are some good apps out like construction estimator that you can get to help with figuring out cost.
Hope this helps.
A lot of the time, once you start peeling that onion, there will be a multitude of other problems you will need to address. And that can easily cost 3 times more than the budget.
Contractors are another issue. Seen it so many times. Contractor is either not on your wavelength or they take the money and run. Vett them thoroughly.
Always make a budget and try to stick to it.
Last, are you a handyman. Be honest with yourself. Can you plumb in a bathroom? Instal Sheetrock. Change out an electrical panel. You need to watch the movie Money Pit.
There are some good apps out like construction estimator that you can get to help with figuring out cost.
Hope this helps.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:10 am to ItzMe1972
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Exterior brick needs updating?
Needs painting.
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How long has it been on the market?
101 days, they’ve lowered the price twice. Listed it at $575K, then went to $565K, now at $550K
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:15 am to gumbo2176
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I believe in working from the top down, i.e. painting ceilings, walls and trim first, replacing kitchen and bathroom cabinets and any other work done first.
Makes sense. We’d have to get rid of the popcorn ceilings, paint the walls, I don’t think we’d necessarily have to replace the cabinets, just repaint them. The replacement could come years from now.
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know old carpet sucks, but while they are there, they are as useful as putting down a tarp, or just rip it up if too soiled and work over your slab or subfloor.
Yeah it just doesn’t look good. That’s it.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:20 am to chrome1007
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Last, are you a handyman.
Not really…I can do all the basic things but I wouldn’t really trust may abilities to do anything major.
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You say the house has been on the market for a while. WHY? There must be an underlying issue. Most places are gone before they even hit the market, if they are a deal or desirable. A lot of the time, once you start peeling that onion, there will be a multitude of other problems you will need to address. And that can easily cost 3 times more than the budget.
I’m trying to figure this out as well. I keep asking myself “what’s the catch here?” But there’s nothing that stuck out when I viewed it yesterday.
This post was edited on 3/3/24 at 10:21 am
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:21 am to grizzlylongcut
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We’d have to get rid of the popcorn ceilings
Good lord....that alone should make you run away. That's a ton of work and messy as hell.
You better absolutely LOVE this house if you plan on doing all of that work to it. It will cost a fortune even if you do most of the work.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:22 am to grizzlylongcut
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We’d have to get rid of the popcorn ceilings,
Then definitely put down plastic drop cloths if dealing with popcorn ceilings even if working over a bare slab or subfloor.
That stuff is nothing short of a total mess to deal with between having to spray them down to loosen the material and scraping it off.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 10:52 am to grizzlylongcut
Find a good designer and get an estimate. Remember you don’t have to do everything at once.
Then let the wife control it all, speaking about most cases. Life will be easier that way.
We bought a house built in the 60s in a great area, and gave it an overhaul from the floors and walls to remodeling the kitchen and bathrooms. Probably north of $150K altogether. It’s about 2/3 your size.
Then let the wife control it all, speaking about most cases. Life will be easier that way.
We bought a house built in the 60s in a great area, and gave it an overhaul from the floors and walls to remodeling the kitchen and bathrooms. Probably north of $150K altogether. It’s about 2/3 your size.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 12:43 pm to grizzlylongcut
As long as the structure is fine, then you're OK to get it.
Take careful attention to that.
Take careful attention to that.
Posted on 3/3/24 at 1:12 pm to grizzlylongcut
What would the house sell for if it was updated?
You could start with flooring and paint. Then do the kitchen/bath upgrades down the road.
You could start with flooring and paint. Then do the kitchen/bath upgrades down the road.
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