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2023 Fall Garden Thread

Posted on 7/28/23 at 10:11 am
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/28/23 at 10:11 am
Welcome to the 2023 Fall Garden Thread.

Here are some useful resource links:

Gardening info/learning:
Home Gardening Certificate Course
LSU AgCenter Main Page
LSU AgCenter Vegetable Planting Guide
Davesgarden.com
Seedsavers Exchange learning page
Epic gardening raised bed plans

I personally use the LSU AgCenter website and planting guide almost religiously. Davesgarden.com is really useful for their watchdog section which gathers ratings on different seed companies and nurseries. And the Seedsavers learning page is a very easy to use website that is great for beginners. It’s streamlined and very easy to understand.

Seed/plant websites:
Harris Seeds
Park Seed
Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds (rareseeds.com)
Reimer seeds
Gurney’s
Migardener.com

I would definitely recommend the first 3 listed. Have never had any issues with orders from them. Reimer, on the other hand, has on more than one occasion sent me mislabeled/wrong product. I’ve also had some seeds with 0% germination. However, they have an extremely large selection, so they may be worth the gamble for some harder to find varieties. I’ve never used Gurney’s, but haven’t heard anything bad about them.


Here are some useful links to learn about different products for disease and pests:

Organic disease and pest management:

Neem Oil
Liquid Copper
Pyrethrin
Spinosad
Bacillus Thuringiensis
Hydrogen Peroxide / Hydrogen Peroxide mixing chart for garden use


Non-organic disease and pest management:

Fungicides:
Daconil
Mancozeb

Insecticides:
Bonide Eight (permethrin)
Sevin dust
Liquid Sevin (Zeta-Cypermethrin)

Target Planting Dates for common Louisiana Fall Vegetables:
(All of this is from the Planting Guide)

Beets (direct seed): S LA 8/15 - 11/15; N LA 9/15 - 11/15
Broccoli: S LA 8/1 - 10/31; N LA 8/1 - 10/31
Brussels Sprouts: S LA 8/15 - 10/31; N LA 8/15 - 10/15
Cabbage: S LA 8/15 - 11/30; N LA 8/1 - 11/30
Carrots (direct seed): S LA 8/15 - 11/15; N LA 8/15 - 10/15
Cauliflower: S LA 7/1 - 10/15; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Collards (direct seed): S LA 7/15 - 10/31; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Garlic (cloves): S LA 9/1 - 11/30; N LA 9/1 - 11/30
Mustard and Turnip Greens (direct seed): S LA 7/15 - 11/10; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Kale (direct seed or plants): S LA 7/15 - 11/15; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Lettuce (direct seed of plants): S LA 9/15 - 11/15; N LA 9/15 - 10/30
Spinach (direct seed): S LA 9/15 - 11/15; N LA 9/1 - 11/15

Allium Crops
Cole Crops
Squash and Pumpkins

If you want to grow pumpkins to have for Halloween, Get the seeds in the ground now. You have until July 10th according to the planting guide. Which has already passed. You may still get lucky if you hurry.

For cucumbers, the planting guide gives fall planting dates (direct seed) of 8/1 - 9/15 for South LA, and 7/15 - 8/31 for North LA.

For tomatoes, if you do heat tolerant varieties you can start transplanting those in mid July. If you don't want to do heat tolerant varieties, you could start seeds mid July and transplant mid to late August. I'd recommend doing an "early" variety that way you have a greater chance of a high yield before the first frost.

LSU Ag Fall Harvest Guide
This post was edited on 7/28/23 at 10:13 am
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
14737 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 10:34 am to
I know I’ve been scarce lately in the spring garden thread. Been pretty busy. But it’s about time to start preparing for fall gardening. Hard to even think about it with as hot as it has been.

I’m starting to get quite a few pumpkins from the smaller variety (Sugar Pie).


Posted by Longer Tail Tiger
Member since Dec 2019
185 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 3:59 pm to
Those are beautiful Sugar Pie pumpkins you're growing, along with that very nice (I'm presuming Crimson Sweet) watermelon in the third pic!

Although it's a small pumpkin, the best thing about Sugar Pie is it's excellent quality when cooked, beautiful orange exterior and interior color when ripe, and near perfect symmetrical shape.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15037 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 4:42 pm to
I love my fall/winter garden but it looks like this year will be a no-go.

I have a messed up ankle and will be in a walking boot for at least another 7 weeks and still may have to face ankle fusion surgery before all is said and done, so getting out in the garden to till, pull rows and plant is out of the question.

My usual stuff includes:

Collards
Cauliflower
Broccoli
Cabbage
Onions
Garlic
Swiss Chard
Kale
Tomatoes
Cucumbers
Winter Squash Varieties
Sugar Snap Peas
Beets
Several varieties of Leaf Lettuces

I really prefer the fall/winter garden since less weeds, less watering, less maintenance overall.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
14737 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

(I'm presuming Crimson Sweet) watermelon in the third pic!


Yep! They are intermingling nicely. I can barely walk in the area the vines from both are so thick.

quote:

Although it's a small pumpkin, the best thing about Sugar Pie is it's excellent quality when cooked,


Last year I grew some Connecticut Field. I had carved some for Halloween, but I still had some growing afterwards. So I figured I’d make some pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving. The only problem is larger pumpkins aren’t recommended because they’re stringy, not as sweet, and watery. I puréed the crap out of them and set them in some cheese cloth in the sink to drain for a day. It was an extra step that I read to do if using larger pumpkins. The pies were still pretty darn delicious. So I figured this year I’d grow some specifically for making pies. Pumpkin pie is my favorite type of pie!

ETA: These are the ones I made last fall.




They weren’t bad for my first attempt at making homemade pumpkin pie.
This post was edited on 7/28/23 at 4:51 pm
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15037 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:35 pm to
quote:

They weren’t bad for my first attempt at making homemade pumpkin pie.




Looks to me like you nailed it with those pies. I'm not a big pumpkin pie eater, but it's one of my wife's favorites and she makes sure to make one or two late in the year for T-Day and Christmas.

I prefer a good homemade pecan pie.
Posted by LSUJML
BR
Member since May 2008
45265 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:51 pm to
Is it possible to grow spinach in containers & if so what is the best soil (mix) to use?
TIA
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15037 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 6:22 pm to
quote:

Is it possible to grow spinach in containers & if so what is the best soil (mix) to use?
TIA



I've never done it, but I do know this. It takes a ton a spinach to make a good serving unless you only use it raw for salads and such. Once it gets around a pot and hit by heat, it wilts down to damn near nothing.

I've found a lot of plants will grow in containers, just not as well as if directly in the ground.
Posted by ChenierauTigre
Dreamland
Member since Dec 2007
34515 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 7:13 pm to
Oh, if only I knew where you live. . .

I would sneak in with my raincoat for your "security system".
Posted by ChenierauTigre
Dreamland
Member since Dec 2007
34515 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 7:17 pm to
I used Sta Green Garden Soil from Lowe's. My spinach loved it.
Posted by DarthTiger
Member since Sep 2005
2745 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 7:30 pm to
quote:

Is it possible to grow spinach in containers & if so what is the best soil (mix) to use?

Aye. I did lettuce last year in regular MiracleGro potting soil and it did well. I'm planning on doing spinach in containers. Just keep it watered regularly.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
14737 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

I have a messed up ankle and will be in a walking boot for at least another 7 weeks and still may have to face ankle fusion surgery before all is said and done, so getting out in the garden to till, pull rows and plant is out of the question.


Holy cow! I’m sorry to hear that. I wish you all the best and hope you’re back on your feet ASAP! Them okra’s ain’t gonna pick themselves.

quote:

Looks to me like you nailed it with those pies.


Thanks! They definitely turned out way better than I was expecting.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15037 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

Holy cow! I’m sorry to hear that. I wish you all the best and hope you’re back on your feet ASAP! Them okra’s ain’t gonna pick themselves.



My wife picked them a couple days ago and I told a neighbor lady to come pick as much as she wants for a few weeks to fill her freezer.

Once she gets her fill I'll have my brother-in-law come to pick all he wants once he gets back in town.

As for me I have already put up several quarts of pickled okra and stewed down enough to have put up about 30 quart bags in the freezer, so I'm good for the year.

I will have my wife pick as needed for some steamed or grilled okra.

Thanks for the well wishes, I appreciate it.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5504 posts
Posted on 7/28/23 at 10:41 pm to
In-ish. Didn’t start seeds, but going to build my permanent garden this fall. Still have cherry tomatoes and peppers going and I’m going to try to plant some carrots and lettuce.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51798 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 8:09 am to
Has anyone ever tried rooting out "suckers" from their tomatoes and planting them for a fall crop?
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11216 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:20 am to


quote:

Has anyone ever tried rooting out "suckers" from their tomatoes and planting them for a fall crop?


Idk how they will produce this fall but stuck these in dirt a couple of weeks ago and kept damp. They're growing.
Posted by LSUlefty
Youngsville, LA
Member since Dec 2007
26443 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 12:50 pm to
You nailed it
Posted by skidry
Member since Jul 2009
3254 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 1:00 pm to
I got my punpkins, some bell peppers, cucumbers, and maters in the ground this week. I don’t think my jack o lanterns are gonna make it since they are 100 days but one can hope. The small decorative pumpkins are like 85 so I should get some of those.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 1:01 pm
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15037 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

Is it possible to grow spinach in containers & if so what is the best soil (mix) to use?
TIA


Instead of spinach, might I suggest Swiss Chard. It tastes very much like spinach but grows a lot bigger. I always have it in my fall/winter garden and usually have 2 varieties----Fordhook Giant and Bright Lights (sometimes packages as "Brite Lites) where the seeds are sold.

The thing that sold me on Swiss Chard is it is much more heat tolerant than spinach. Once temperatures get in the 80 degree range, spinach bolts and it's done. Swiss Chard will keep on producing.

One nice Chard leaf is about as much product as 40 spinach leaves. The chard is not only much larger, but the leaves are a good bit denser.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
11216 posts
Posted on 7/29/23 at 8:19 pm to
Picked about 15 ft of WWM off the side of the road a while back. Made and arch with it. Planted Tromboncino squash and Cucuzzi edible gourds along it. The squash went in the ground today, Cucuzzi a couple of weeks ago. The cucuzzi is growing crazy fast in the heat.
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