re: Why did influencers such as O’Hearn and Liver King lie about their ped use

go look at greg from kinobody, he has taken a bunch of test to prove he is natty.

he is about 170ish ripped

but ffmi usually tells the story

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I'm guessing if they could convince people they were natural, that would mean more views and more sales of whatever products they were shilling.

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this is like 90% of it, the other 10% is they don't like to advertise to committing felonies

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We should just destigmatize steroid use by now, as long as the dangers of their use/abuse are always being presented. We shouldn't applaud their use, but being open about using them. But youre right, no companies want to be associated with and sponsor anyone who would admit to using.

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Depending on who you listen to, or watch, or read, this has already happened. There isn't broad acceptance of it on a wide enough spectrum to matter to the general population, but there are people who have accomplished this.

As to the unrealistic standards, I'll say this, while the technology has made our lives even more saturated with what I choose to call "marketing", humanity has developed along with that technology and while it's different person to person, humans are more sophisticated with concerns to pushing back against this "marketing". What I'm trying to say is that people are better bullshite detectors. Doesn't mean everybody is perfect, or even really good, at detecting whatever bullshite they've encountered at any given time, but if you compared 12 year old me from 1990-91 to a 12 year old today, I bet the current 12 year old could run circles around me in regards to sniffing out bullshite.

But the marketing methods haven't changed much over history, just the tech, most marketing is all about sowing seeds that grow into doubt, insecurity, and hopelessness. The cure for all those negative feelings is buying "The Product", always. Once a person realizes that is one of, if not THE main method of marketing, and they accept that they live in a world that is always marketing to them(the "Store" never closes, it's open every second of every day, all over the globe), they can at least know to be prepared to deal with this non-stop onslaught of bullshite. So the "unrealistic standards" that bother you, they aren't going anywhere, they will only proliferate and become more sophisticated. You just have to stay a fraction of a micrometer ahead of these marketing schemes.

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i mean.....i know im gonna come off as an a-hole here

but frick those kids need to get the frick over it and stop being so naive

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fair enough, and as someone who doesn't have kids and doesn't even particularly like them, i am not inclined to argue

To be fair, rich snorted bugga sugga pretty much every day

Yeah I understand; all I said was he didn’t lie about using anything and still had large following.

I didn’t say anything about heart and liver being 2x normal adult male;

Also, OP topic says PED right? Not cocaine, heroin, synthol, etc

When I was younger I didn't admit to my GF, coworkers, etc that I was using PEDs. I wasn't making money off of fitness, though. Now? Frick it, I tell everybody I'm on TRT. I'd probably be the same way if I were using other stuff. IDK why I was so ashamed of it when I was younger, I guess because I knew it was a stupid decision to get on them to begin with.

I think the main issue is how foolish it could make you look

If you have a family and kids and you die because you took steroids to make your muscles look bigger you look like a fricking dumbass

Same with alcoholics etc. For some it may be money, but for the majority it’s a shame they feel internal about what they are doing