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When will people figure out that doctors severely lack ethics?

Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:02 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:02 pm
State of California is suing AbbVie in this instance due to a pretty widespread kick back program involving doctors who are complicit here.

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According to the complaint, AbbVie's gave illegal kickbacks to doctors over more than four years, between 2013 and August of this year. During that time, private insurers processed more than 274,000 claims for coverage of Humira treatment for California patients, paying out nearly $1.3 billion.

That makes the case the largest health insurance fraud case in the Department's history, the commissioners' office said.


Just absolutely wretched behavior by people that we're supposed to trust with our health
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:26 pm to
I'm listening to a podcast now called Dr. Death about a neurosurgeon in Dallas who was essentially murdering patients. Baylor Medical essentially covered it up. Quite terrifying.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20890 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:47 pm to
I wish you’d put this on the OT so some of the sanctimonious doctors would respond. Scruffy claims there’s no such thing as kickbacks.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 9/19/18 at 5:52 pm to
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Scruffy claims there’s no such thing as kickbacks.



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According to the complaint, AbbVie's gave illegal kickbacks to doctors


Well, there's not supposed to be
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20890 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 6:01 pm to
The problem I have is that many doctors - especially those who post here - act like their knowledge is infallible and that the laity are inept. That doctors are above the common person in ethics, capability, and reason.

There was a thread not too long ago where Scruffy in particular scoffed at the notion that any doctor could be getting kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies. To suggest otherwise is not understand how the business works. Yet here is a story showing that doctors can and do accept kickbacks without regard to the law.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173651 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 6:04 pm to
One of my friends is an attorney that got involved with a similar investigation

Evidently this shite is a lot more widespread than people would like to believe
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 9/19/18 at 6:04 pm to
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Evidently this shite is a lot more widespread than people would like to believe


I'm not discounting that, just pointing out that it's not legal.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173651 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 6:06 pm to
Noted

But there are a lot of other things that are legal and completely unethical that doctors engage in regularly

Mostly related to overvtreatment that is raping the economy of our country
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 6:59 pm to
I just always assume that doctors get kickbacks for presrcibing medicine, because rarely, if ever, do you go to the doc and not walk out with some type of meds.

With that, I rarely fill prescriptions when prescribed, unless I really feel like I need it.

Fortunately, I don't get sick too often, so I don't use meds.

Most meds are needed, but the medical folks don't make money unless meds are taken.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:08 pm to
If you read the article, the “kickbacks” are not payments to the doctor, but patient “advocates” that worked for the company and helped with prior authorizations. Not saying it was right, but let’s not act like they were delivering briefcases of money to the doctors.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20890 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:10 pm to
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If you read the article


Why would I do that when the posted title aligns with my preconceived biases?
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
11126 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:18 pm to
A coworker of my wife worked with Dr Death.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13875 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:41 pm to
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A coworker of my wife worked with Dr Death.



Was that the spine surgeon in Dallas who would get coked up and frick shite up? Read an article about him. What’s the name of the podcast?
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
80855 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:44 pm to
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I'm listening to a podcast now called Dr. Death about a neurosurgeon in Dallas who was essentially murdering patients. Baylor Medical essentially covered it up. Quite terrifying.



Fake news. Baylor would never engage in a cover-up.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35323 posts
Posted on 9/19/18 at 8:48 pm to
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Scruffy claims there’s no such thing as kickbacks.


I had to look to make sure this wasn't scruffy (aka Jimmy) posting.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/19/18 at 9:23 pm to
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but patient “advocates” that worked for the company and helped with prior authorizations.

But they weren't really patient advocates

They're frauds pretending to be patient advocates
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
11126 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 4:14 am to
Before I started working in surgery they had a neurosurgeon who would break scrub in the middle of cases and be out the room for 10-20 minutes at a time. Everyone was pretty sure he would go hit some swings of liquor or was doing some other drugs. He ended up going to the Lafayette area and I think he’s no longer practicing.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3206 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 8:56 am to
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I just always assume that doctors get kickbacks for presrcibing medicine, because rarely, if ever, do you go to the doc and not walk out with some type of meds.


Are the doctors prescribing meds because they're getting kickbacks? Or are they prescribing meds because they assume that it's what the patient (consumer) wants?

This is especially true for conditions that can be usually helped primarily with diet/exercise (high blood pressure, etc...). I think they either assume, or it's been there experience, that they can't just tell a patient to fix it on their own and get positive results.

My gut feel is that if kickbacks where extremely pervasive in the medical industry, we would see a TON more weight loss drugs being prescribed.

Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:35 am to
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A coworker of my wife worked with Dr Death.
Please tell us more. This shite is chilling.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39853 posts
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:37 am to
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Baylor would never engage in a cover-up.
It wasn't exactly a cover up...but let's just say that their way of addressing it was "anemic". Basically, they stopped short of reporting him to the federal registry that would have been the 1st thing to pop up on the screen of any prospective new employer. Since he wasn't on that list, he was able to spread his mayhem around to other hospitals/clinics.

They also mentioned that when the TX medical board got around to addressing it, they fined Baylor $100K...and then 1 year later, they quietly dismissed the fine...WTF
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