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What are some good foods to eat on the keto diet
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:33 am
So I havent been in the gym in about a year now. I always enjoyed lifting weights but never really watched my diet. Well the 5 years removed from high school athletics and slow pitch softball as my only form of exercise while drinking beer thurs-sat most weeks has taken its toll and I need to cut 15-20 pounds so I can not feel like a fatass. I'm 197 right now and 180 is my target weight and I've heard the keto diet is the way to go. What are some good staples of it and what are some key things to avoid other thathan carbs. I've heard you can take in about as many calories and fat as you want as long as you dont have carbs. Is that true?
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:38 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Avocados
Nuts
Beef jerky
Eggs
Nuts
Beef jerky
Eggs
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:51 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I've heard you can take in about as many calories and fat as you want as long as you dont have carbs. Is that true?
This is not true.
It's certainly possible to find a Keto diet SO satiating that you eat all you want and still lose weight, but it's not as if you overcome the laws of thermodynamics and enter a world where calories don't matter.
Plenty of people gain fat on Keto by going ape-shite with things like Bulletproof Coffee.
Frankly, I recommend a minimal carb diet that places an emphasis on protein. You might end up keto, but the focus should be on results, not ketones.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 11:13 am to LSUfan20005
Thanks yeah when he said calories dont matter it was hard for me not to laugh. I mean If you take in more calories than your body can burn you will momot lose weight.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 11:31 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
weekly total calories and daily protein intake are what matter. most people will not overeat on the keto diet though.
as far as good foods to eat, steak and butter, free range eggs and uncured bacon, avocados, grass fed cheese, fatty fish, any green veggies. Lamb, bison, seafood, turkey, chicken, pork especially tenderloin, any wild game etc
i suggest looking at the get shredded diet on tnation for idea on macros but somewhere in the following ranges is where i would start if going keto
Calories- bodyweight *11-13
Protein- 25-35%
Fat- 55-70%
Carbs- 5-15% from green veggies only, carbs from avocados and seafood don't count
so if you weight 197 i would start at the following
calories- bw*12 so 2364 calories
Protein- 150g 25%
Carbs- 30g or 5%
Fat- 180g or 70%
take a measurement aroudn the naval and weight fasted first thing in the morning every 2 weeks. if you stall lower the calories by lowering fat %. if you arent stalled, keep it the same.
for lifting, i suggest greyskull lp plus 2 conditioning sessions per week to start. After the first stall instead of lowering calories, add in fasted morning walks at 20min a day. continue to add time to the walks at each stall until you get to 360min total weekly. at that point lower calories as described above at every successive stall.
as far as good foods to eat, steak and butter, free range eggs and uncured bacon, avocados, grass fed cheese, fatty fish, any green veggies. Lamb, bison, seafood, turkey, chicken, pork especially tenderloin, any wild game etc
i suggest looking at the get shredded diet on tnation for idea on macros but somewhere in the following ranges is where i would start if going keto
Calories- bodyweight *11-13
Protein- 25-35%
Fat- 55-70%
Carbs- 5-15% from green veggies only, carbs from avocados and seafood don't count
so if you weight 197 i would start at the following
calories- bw*12 so 2364 calories
Protein- 150g 25%
Carbs- 30g or 5%
Fat- 180g or 70%
take a measurement aroudn the naval and weight fasted first thing in the morning every 2 weeks. if you stall lower the calories by lowering fat %. if you arent stalled, keep it the same.
for lifting, i suggest greyskull lp plus 2 conditioning sessions per week to start. After the first stall instead of lowering calories, add in fasted morning walks at 20min a day. continue to add time to the walks at each stall until you get to 360min total weekly. at that point lower calories as described above at every successive stall.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 3:45 pm to LSUfan20005
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This is not true
Yes and no, moral of the story is that Cal's in and out do not mean as much on a Keto diet...
I am 2 weeks into to a 4k Cal challenge and have not gained weight. You are correct though, I have been unable most days to get up to 4k cals! Too rich.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 3:47 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
The cells in your body do not know what a calorie is, get past this mind set. I am living proof Cal's in/out do not matter.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 8:26 pm to FatMan
Ok but, guess you are a special snowflake. Plenty of studies prove calories are what matter not matter what source. A calorie is a measurement of energy, bottom line is your body does realize the energy.
You are wrong and you can do a simple Google search and find dozens of studies proving so. And you say you are living proof, are you meticulously weighing your food every single meal and tracking raw? If not, you are not living proof. And if you are, what is your weekly calorie total vs tdee? How sure are you if your tdee?
Bottom line is you aren't special.
You are wrong and you can do a simple Google search and find dozens of studies proving so. And you say you are living proof, are you meticulously weighing your food every single meal and tracking raw? If not, you are not living proof. And if you are, what is your weekly calorie total vs tdee? How sure are you if your tdee?
Bottom line is you aren't special.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:04 pm to FatMan
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The cells in your body do not know what a calorie is
That's because calories are a unit of measurement for energy.. your cells burn through ATP for energy, and the energy expenditure is measured in calories. Your cells don't know calories, but they know energy expenditure. If you take in more energy than you expend, you will gain weight.
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:27 pm to lsu777
Calorie BS Harvard says Calories BS Calorie BS Body doesnt know what calorie is... Calorie Myth
LSU777, I'm usually a big fan of yours, but it seems like if somebody States something that you don't agree with they became a "special little snowflake".
To the other poster, you are correct your body does burn energy. But your metabolism could care less what your energy expenditure is, you need a balance in your hormonal state.
To the "a calorie is a calorie" crowd, science proves you wrong.
LSU777, I'm usually a big fan of yours, but it seems like if somebody States something that you don't agree with they became a "special little snowflake".
To the other poster, you are correct your body does burn energy. But your metabolism could care less what your energy expenditure is, you need a balance in your hormonal state.
To the "a calorie is a calorie" crowd, science proves you wrong.
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:24 pm to FatMan
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To the "a calorie is a calorie" crowd, science proves you wrong
If you're into tracking macros it's probably the least important one to track
Posted on 8/10/18 at 11:04 pm to FatMan
No I'm not being a dick just saying science says you are wrong. Everyone wants to think they are different and the rules don't apply to them, it's just not true. And I notice you didn't answer my questions.
And every thing you posted is nothing more than an article. You can't find a peer reviewed study to post because there are any yet there are dozens showing caloiries are what matter. Simple Google search will bring you that.
And you freaking linked Gary taubes, the biggest fraud in the industry. Please don't do that again .
Again go read John Bernardi, Martin Berkham, Alan argon, Eric helms, Greg nuckoles, lyle McDonald, Layne Norton. They have the studies on their sites.
Every single peer reviewed study has shown the following when it comes to body composition
Weekly overall calories and daily protien intake are what matter
The rest of the calories can come from anything else.
Keto and if can be advantageous for controlling caloric intake and tend to stimulate beta receptors in areas with low blood flow. Meaning fatloss could come from more stubborn fat areas compared to traditional cico.
Keto is great if you enjoy it. Keto is great for health. But keto doesn't allow you to eat as much as you want.
Watch this
And every thing you posted is nothing more than an article. You can't find a peer reviewed study to post because there are any yet there are dozens showing caloiries are what matter. Simple Google search will bring you that.
And you freaking linked Gary taubes, the biggest fraud in the industry. Please don't do that again .
Again go read John Bernardi, Martin Berkham, Alan argon, Eric helms, Greg nuckoles, lyle McDonald, Layne Norton. They have the studies on their sites.
Every single peer reviewed study has shown the following when it comes to body composition
Weekly overall calories and daily protien intake are what matter
The rest of the calories can come from anything else.
Keto and if can be advantageous for controlling caloric intake and tend to stimulate beta receptors in areas with low blood flow. Meaning fatloss could come from more stubborn fat areas compared to traditional cico.
Keto is great if you enjoy it. Keto is great for health. But keto doesn't allow you to eat as much as you want.
Watch this
Posted on 8/10/18 at 11:13 pm to lsu777
Here is the inherent problem with calories in vs calories out
You can track the calories in but you can't really track the calories out with any degree of precision
You probably can't even get with in 5 or 10 percent
So the whole thing is basically a bullshite guessing game that you wouldn't accept as scientific under any other circumstance
You can track the calories in but you can't really track the calories out with any degree of precision
You probably can't even get with in 5 or 10 percent
So the whole thing is basically a bullshite guessing game that you wouldn't accept as scientific under any other circumstance
Posted on 8/10/18 at 11:44 pm to lsu777
LSU777, Sorry for not addressing your question:
When I weighed 380#s, my estimated TDEE was 3600kcal/day. For 2 months I participated in an ADA 1800 calorie diet, striclty managed, and managed to gain 2 lbs for the 2 months.
Fast forward to now @ 245# with a TDEE of 2900-3000 kcal/day and 2 weeks of 4k cals with 30/70 protein to fat carnivore and no weight gain. Prior to the 2 weeks, I usually eat 2500-3k Cals daily and am still losing weight with same macros for 18 months on Keto on a quicker than normal based on caloric deficit.
My 2 week TDEE Is 42000kcal and my cals in are 52500. By the laws of thermodynamics, there is no way they I haven't gained 2-3 lbs, yet I have maintained weight (actually down 0.5 lbs!).
You ARE correct about one thing: I AM NOT SPECIAL. If you fix someone's metabolism and hormones, this can happen to anyone.
Powerman is 100% correct- there are few ways to get within 10% of a true TDEE, but how do you explain gaining weight on 1800 Cals and losing weight on 2500+ cals no matter how far off my true TDEE is
Your understanding of nutrition is incorrect, you little cupcake. Let's get into a science and studies battle vs an opinion battle.
BTW, the source of the calories ARE the important part, you are dead wrong there. Your body does not know the difference between 500 cals of sugar and 500 cals of fat, the cals are meaningless, it's how the body uses that nutrition.
Also, don't misquote me, my argument was not that you can eat as many cals as desired, it was that this idea of Cal's in and out is misdated and inaccurate.
When I weighed 380#s, my estimated TDEE was 3600kcal/day. For 2 months I participated in an ADA 1800 calorie diet, striclty managed, and managed to gain 2 lbs for the 2 months.
Fast forward to now @ 245# with a TDEE of 2900-3000 kcal/day and 2 weeks of 4k cals with 30/70 protein to fat carnivore and no weight gain. Prior to the 2 weeks, I usually eat 2500-3k Cals daily and am still losing weight with same macros for 18 months on Keto on a quicker than normal based on caloric deficit.
My 2 week TDEE Is 42000kcal and my cals in are 52500. By the laws of thermodynamics, there is no way they I haven't gained 2-3 lbs, yet I have maintained weight (actually down 0.5 lbs!).
You ARE correct about one thing: I AM NOT SPECIAL. If you fix someone's metabolism and hormones, this can happen to anyone.
Powerman is 100% correct- there are few ways to get within 10% of a true TDEE, but how do you explain gaining weight on 1800 Cals and losing weight on 2500+ cals no matter how far off my true TDEE is
Your understanding of nutrition is incorrect, you little cupcake. Let's get into a science and studies battle vs an opinion battle.
BTW, the source of the calories ARE the important part, you are dead wrong there. Your body does not know the difference between 500 cals of sugar and 500 cals of fat, the cals are meaningless, it's how the body uses that nutrition.
Also, don't misquote me, my argument was not that you can eat as many cals as desired, it was that this idea of Cal's in and out is misdated and inaccurate.
This post was edited on 8/11/18 at 12:10 am
Posted on 8/10/18 at 11:48 pm to lsu777
Wow, what a shite video you shared. Here's a more in depth and science based video by Dr. Jason Fung. Enjoy! Hormones vs Calories
Posted on 8/11/18 at 12:19 am to Powerman
Biggest Loser Study
This is a link to an article, not the study, but the 6 year biggest loser study shows that participants gained weight back, not due to eating more, but due to impairing their metabolism and hormonal responses. TDEE is great, but your bodies energy expenditure is not based on calories, it's based on METABOLISM AND HORMONES.
You are going to say, this proves Cal in and Cal out, but it doesn't, you're still thinking too small. An obese person with metabolic syndrome might have a TDEE of 1500 cals a day and gain weight because they are eating 2000 cals a day, on paper that's 1lb a week. The problem isn't the calories, it's the metabolic response to the food.
This is a link to an article, not the study, but the 6 year biggest loser study shows that participants gained weight back, not due to eating more, but due to impairing their metabolism and hormonal responses. TDEE is great, but your bodies energy expenditure is not based on calories, it's based on METABOLISM AND HORMONES.
You are going to say, this proves Cal in and Cal out, but it doesn't, you're still thinking too small. An obese person with metabolic syndrome might have a TDEE of 1500 cals a day and gain weight because they are eating 2000 cals a day, on paper that's 1lb a week. The problem isn't the calories, it's the metabolic response to the food.
Posted on 8/11/18 at 12:27 am to lsu777
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No I'm not being a dick
quote:
just saying science says you are wrong
You’re kind of being a dick
Posted on 8/11/18 at 7:29 am to FatMan
I don't want to discount or dismiss your experience, because everyone's experience is their own.
Assuming what you're saying happened actually happened, then I would argue that you had some sort of condition, be it an illness, an allergy, a food intolerance, etc. That you didn't know about and your diet cleared it up.
In healthy adults, the latest scientific data shows that as long as protein and calories are equal, there is no significant fat loss difference between low carb and high carb.
ETA
If someone's hormones are out of whack, there should be blood tests to figure it out. I have Hashimotos, so my hormones are out of whack, which is why I see a dietitian. People with true metabolic issues are a minority.
Assuming what you're saying happened actually happened, then I would argue that you had some sort of condition, be it an illness, an allergy, a food intolerance, etc. That you didn't know about and your diet cleared it up.
In healthy adults, the latest scientific data shows that as long as protein and calories are equal, there is no significant fat loss difference between low carb and high carb.
ETA
If someone's hormones are out of whack, there should be blood tests to figure it out. I have Hashimotos, so my hormones are out of whack, which is why I see a dietitian. People with true metabolic issues are a minority.
This post was edited on 8/11/18 at 7:33 am
Posted on 8/11/18 at 8:47 am to Hulkklogan
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In healthy adults, the latest scientific data shows that as long as protein and calories are equal, there is no significant fat loss difference between low carb and high carb.
But the foods you eat absolutely do affect your metabolism. If the only thing you track is macros without paying attention to what goes into your body you're a fricking idiot.
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