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re: TRT. Last time. The scrip is at the pharmacy.

Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:43 pm to
Posted by Irregardless
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Posted on 6/29/22 at 11:43 pm to
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how long will that last the average baw? asking for a friend


Most TRT is around 100 mg a week. So one vial should last 10 weeks. The most common prescribed products are 1000 mg / 100 ml.

So three vials should last 30 weeks. Again, that’s at a reasonable dosage but that needs to be determined by your doctor. I pay $23 a vial.

quote:

12-16 weeks


200 mg per week is approaching supra-pharmacological. IE “juicing.” And you’d definitely want to blood dump.
This post was edited on 6/29/22 at 11:50 pm
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:19 am to
My brain hurts on the ml to mg conversion. My buddy is taking .17ml daily? That doesn't sound right.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 12:30 am to
If it’s 100mg dose it’s 17mg he taking
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:26 am to
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how long will that last the average baw? asking for a friend


most people will take about 150mg(0.75ml) a week in some form if doing real trt. so 30ml should last 40 weeks.not bad for $100.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:27 am to
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So if I’m pretty jacked right now and my test is around the bottom in free and total, how much more manly will I become?


you will be able to last about 20 seconds longer in bed, other than that...prolly nothing, you are already Peak BR Baw, kind of hard to improve that.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:29 am to
quote:

Most TRT is around 100 mg a week. So one vial should last 10 weeks. The most common prescribed products are 1000 mg / 100 ml.



na most is 200mg/ml if its test cypionate.

most will take 100-150. very rarely will you be taking 200 if prescribed by doctor as that will put 90%+ of people slightly out of range. Prolly in the 1500-2000 ng/dl range.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:34 am to
quote:

My brain hurts on the ml to mg conversion. My buddy is taking .17ml daily? That doesn't sound right.




.17ml daily with the 200mg/ml which is the most common dosage for testosterone cypionate aka testosterone depot would be

34 mg/day.

if its 100mg/ml vial then it would be 17mg/day.



34 is prolly going to put him out of range

the half life of testosterone cyp is 8 days. you dont need to inject daily. 2x per week is more than suffecient. Takes 35-45 days to achieve full blood plasma levels that are normalized.

see below for half life and blood plasma levels

Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 7:38 am to
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out of range


Explain it to me like I'm 5.

Ok I texted him this morning, he's taking .20ml daily, 200mg vial. That's his prescribed dose from his doc.
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 7:44 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:15 am to
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Explain it to me like I'm 5.


well a normal male will produce what we consider total testosterone. Depending on his age he should fall somewhere in the range below

between 280 to 1200

this is measure in nanograms per decaliter aka ng/dl.

at .2 daily, that puts him at 1.4 weekly or 1.4*200=280mg/week.

in general 150mg a week will put someone close to the top of the range. not always as some people are much less effecient at this, but i can promise 280mg a week has him outside of the normal range which means he isnt taking TRT, he is juicing essentially or he is blasting and will go back to his base level later.

but that range is also for teenagers through 80+ years old. we want to be in the range for our age group. example..the average test levels for a 35-40 year old is 597 ng/dl. Remember this is average.

the range usually for a 40 year old is around 450-850ish. If you are taking replacement we want to be in that top of the range. AS we age you should slowly lower the dose to stay top of range for your age.

now test is released by the body after the ester (cypionate) is cleaved off and turned into free testosterone. this is the most important number and much more important than total test as this is the useable portion. We want this to be top of range for age group also, maybe even slightly above.

all of this is measured by a blood test.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:21 am to
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at .2 daily, that puts him at 1.4 weekly or 1.4*200=280mg/week.


quote:

but i can promise 280mg a week has him outside of the normal range which means he isnt taking TRT, he is juicing essentially


I can assure you, that isn't his intention and he doesn't know that. That's his prescribed dosage. When he first got on it, I asked him about how the doctor addressed it because I was interested in TRT, and he said that they were addressing it symptomatically and not by numbers. But this seems excessive.

I'm gonna talk to him today, that's concerning.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:40 am to
quote:

I can assure you, that isn't his intention and he doesn't know that. That's his prescribed dosage. When he first got on it, I asked him about how the doctor addressed it because I was interested in TRT, and he said that they were addressing it symptomatically and not by numbers. But this seems excessive.



well i can promise he doesnt need 280mg/week to get rid of any symptoms he may be having.

he prolly wont have any issue at the dose he is on but i would tell him to watch cholesterol, hemotacrit levels and especially PSA/estrogen and shgb levels.

my personal opinion is you take the minimum dose that gets you in the normal range for your age and stay there 4-6 months and see how you feel and how blood work looks. if you are wanting more from physique change standpoint and are pushing the weights hard...you can get to the top of the range for your age, but consistently doing that over years opens up to side effects.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4934 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:47 am to
I take test 200 cyp @ 0.3ml 2x wk so 120mg/wk.
I also take HCG @400iu 2x wk
And 0.125mg Anastrozole 2x wk

This keeps my levels right around 1000 and I’m in my mid 30’s. Free test is around 25 and estrogen right around 25.
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26630 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 8:55 am to
What type of provider do you see? He sees one of those wellness ones you see online.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38075 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:17 am to
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What type of provider do you see? He sees one of those wellness ones you see online.




i see one of the best in the world out of baylor medical in houston....i take 140mg weekly split into 2 shots weekly.

i monitor other levels but dont need anything for estrogen and am fixed so no need for hcg. my philosphy is smaller my balls gets, bigger the D looks and not that my wife cares but makes me feel better
This post was edited on 6/30/22 at 9:19 am
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:22 am to
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What type of provider do you see? He sees one of those wellness ones you see online.


I use Defy Medical online. I’m also snipped and mentioned that to my provider about the HCG, but they were hesitant to not recommend it to me specifically just bc of my age. I dunno whatever, HCG is getting really hard to get too so that’s probably something I’ll discuss with them more so soon.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:35 am to
should be able to get from empower from houston, but if you arent havign kids anymore its a frickign waste of money honestly. doesnt do shite otehrwise. trt is life long so not sure the reasoning is on that.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4934 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:39 am to
So Defy does use Empower as one of their Rx providers but since the feds came down on HCG recently empower can’t carry it anymore. Something to do with compounding it or whatever.


They’re recommending Pregyl to use now instead of HCG which you have to get through Optum Pharmacy. Apparently Defy is working on obtaining their own pharmaceutical license to circumvent a lot of this in the near future.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38075 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:51 am to
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So Defy does use Empower as one of their Rx providers but since the feds came down on HCG recently empower can’t carry it anymore. Something to do with compounding it or whatever.



holy shite that is big. when i was doing my fertility treatment with HCG at 3kiu EOD i had 3 choices

1) pharmacy grade- would run about 12k per month as its not covered

2) empower- like 300 a month

3) black market- about 200 a month

used empower and it was a life saver.

i honestly would drop hcg if you are not going to be having more kids or coming off and trying to recover natural levels. total waste of money.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
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Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:53 am to
Bruh I just wanna know if ima norwood or not
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4934 posts
Posted on 6/30/22 at 9:55 am to
Thanks for that tip, I likely will when I run out. I’m unsure how that will effect my dosage of test cyp though if at all. That’s something I can definitely inquire about at my next review.
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