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re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer
Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:37 pm to lsu777
Posted on 8/6/18 at 8:37 pm to lsu777
Hey just checking in. Been on the program for 3 months now. Been making crazy gains so far. Failed squats at 215, reloaded and made it to 235. Still haven't failed deadlifts yet, crunching out 8 reps at 265. Bench has increased about 10 lbs as well. Starting to stall on OHP so will switch that soon as well as some assistance that I'm stalled on. After another deload I'll likely switch up bench for a variant, depending on how I progress.
I'm kind of wanting to add a 4th day in to the program though. Is this possible without screwing it all up? If so then how should I go about it?
Stopped the homework for now as work has me being stupid active and it was affecting lifting. Will start back up when uni begins.
I'm kind of wanting to add a 4th day in to the program though. Is this possible without screwing it all up? If so then how should I go about it?
Stopped the homework for now as work has me being stupid active and it was affecting lifting. Will start back up when uni begins.
This post was edited on 8/6/18 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 8/12/18 at 9:50 pm to lsu777
Hey all, just checking in, still progressing with no resets yet, although I am microloading some of the weight progressions.. Finally hit an unassisted chin up but barely so doing those but still using negatives and static holds and have progressed down to a skinnier band on my assisted chin ups, once I hit 5x5 on that band, I will finally be down to the skinniest band offering the least assistance so all in all, still trudging forward. I Don’t necessarily feel beat up by frequency pushups done 6 x a week but I have been reading articles suggesting that frequency work would be more ideal done every other day because you only grow stronger and the muscles recover when you rest. It’s kind of gotten me questioning if frequency work is better done on less days per week? Your thoughts?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:19 am to Bailey25
So that would be true if you are doing frequent near max sets. We should be doing frequent sub max sets. They should be causing no cns fatigue and should not be causing a ton of muscle fatigue either.
Our reasons for doing frequent method body weight exercises is to take advantage of the above. Because of the lack of cns and muscle fatigue we can take advantage of neural adaptations and we can use the frequency and exercise selection to strength the joints. Also because we are submaximal we are able to cause small amounts of damage to the muscle very frequently without getting beat up. This allows for you to continue build muscle and strength without getting beat up.
Our reasons for doing frequent method body weight exercises is to take advantage of the above. Because of the lack of cns and muscle fatigue we can take advantage of neural adaptations and we can use the frequency and exercise selection to strength the joints. Also because we are submaximal we are able to cause small amounts of damage to the muscle very frequently without getting beat up. This allows for you to continue build muscle and strength without getting beat up.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:25 pm to lsu777
Thank you for clarifying this. I’m at 5 sets of 18 reps now. I would estimate I’m about 6-8 reps short of failure in each set, once in a while a set might feel a bit harder but overall I’m not feeling any tendinitis or CNS fatigue. Do you think I should stay at that # of reps for a while and add a set each week iir two. How should I progress from here?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:15 pm to Bailey25
Yea I would maybe drop back to 15 and add sets to add volume for about 6 weeks or so.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 1:18 pm to lsu777
Late to the party but I’m finishing up my second round of insanity max:30 in two weeks. Im going to start hitting the gym again and going with this program from the book:
Anyone have any experience running this protocol while eating a strict keto diet with an 18:6 IF? How are you doing meal timing, overall energy levels, fasted lifting? What’s your protein intake look like and have you run into issues with gluconeogenesis due to protein increase and/or supplementation?
Anyone have any experience running this protocol while eating a strict keto diet with an 18:6 IF? How are you doing meal timing, overall energy levels, fasted lifting? What’s your protein intake look like and have you run into issues with gluconeogenesis due to protein increase and/or supplementation?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 1:22 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
Anyone have any experience running this protocol while eating a strict keto diet with an 18:6 IF? How are you doing meal timing, overall energy levels, fasted lifting? What’s your protein intake look like and have you run into issues with gluconeogenesis due to protein increase and/or supplementation?
its a great program but it is setup for mass gain which keto is not condusive too. I would setup more like this
16:8 on lifting days
18:6 on non lifting days
Lifting days-
Protein-1.5*BW
Carbs- 100g in the peri-workout window
Fat- Rest of calories
Calories- if looking to lose fat- set at maintenance, if looking to gain- set at +500
Non-Lifting Days
Protein- 1*BW
Carbs- Trace from veggies only
Fat- rest of calories
Calories- If looking to lose fat- set at -500, if looking to gain- set at maintenance or +200
Posted on 8/16/18 at 1:35 pm to lsu777
Thanks for the help and this thread is an amazing resource. I’ve used it to clarify several points in the book where you can tell JP is in no way a scholar.
I feel so great <20g carbs my mental clarity and energy has increased so profoundly I don’t think I want to increase the carb intake. I know I will sacrifice some strength in this regard, but intend to supplement with creatine. I always hear the threat of gluconeogensis, but most of the time people disregard it. The whole keto thing is tough because there are not any real authoritative sources outside of Dom D’Agostino the majority have zero qualifications and even some Chiropractors trying to pass themselves off as real “Drs” which most people associate with physicians. Gives the whole WOE a bad name honestly.
I feel so great <20g carbs my mental clarity and energy has increased so profoundly I don’t think I want to increase the carb intake. I know I will sacrifice some strength in this regard, but intend to supplement with creatine. I always hear the threat of gluconeogensis, but most of the time people disregard it. The whole keto thing is tough because there are not any real authoritative sources outside of Dom D’Agostino the majority have zero qualifications and even some Chiropractors trying to pass themselves off as real “Drs” which most people associate with physicians. Gives the whole WOE a bad name honestly.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 1:42 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
gluconeogensis
This is not something i would be concerned with.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 1:46 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:
16:8 on lifting days
18:6 on non lifting days
This is too easy I’m not married to any IF protocol. When do you suggest the window opens? Just post workout or a couple hours before? What’s the ideal timing on it?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:02 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
depends on what goal is
if fat loss is the goal
lift in the morning, eat 12-8
if strength and hypertrophy is goal and lifting afternoon
12-8
12-25%
4:30- 25%
post workout-8pm- 50% of calories.
if fat loss is the goal
lift in the morning, eat 12-8
if strength and hypertrophy is goal and lifting afternoon
12-8
12-25%
4:30- 25%
post workout-8pm- 50% of calories.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:09 pm to lsu777
Thanks for the info. I’ll have to modify it some as my only real workout window is sometime between 0430 and 0730 due to work and family. I Know this isn’t ideal as you want insulin to be high at night so you build quicker while sleeping.
Posted on 8/18/18 at 9:35 pm to lsu777
Going to start on 27 AUG. Where do you start weight wise he really doesn’t address that? I’m assuming based on reading his book you can’t really go too low because you just double the increase for the next time right? For example if you do 225 on bench your AMRAP is 12+ the next time your increase would be 5lbs instead of 2.5 correct?
This post was edited on 8/18/18 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 8/19/18 at 9:16 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
It would be better to start too low than too high.
Posted on 8/19/18 at 7:43 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Correct, so just start low. Don't try and rush it.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 3:43 am to lsu777
How would you design programming for someone with this setup.
- No squat/power rack (in the process of setting up one)
- Lifts starting from scratch
- Only have 2-3 x 1 hour sessions to hit the barbell a week.
- Have a doorway pullup bar at home.
I've been doing high volume basic bodyweight work but now looking into lifting again.
Thanks for all your help so far!
I read a Wendler piece before where he recommended subbing bench for rows, and squats for cleans. Press you clean up before a set and deads stay the same.
- No squat/power rack (in the process of setting up one)
- Lifts starting from scratch
- Only have 2-3 x 1 hour sessions to hit the barbell a week.
- Have a doorway pullup bar at home.
I've been doing high volume basic bodyweight work but now looking into lifting again.
Thanks for all your help so far!
I read a Wendler piece before where he recommended subbing bench for rows, and squats for cleans. Press you clean up before a set and deads stay the same.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 4:11 am
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:14 am to numptythrubbers
quote:
How would you design programming for someone with this setup.
- No squat/power rack (in the process of setting up one)
- Lifts starting from scratch
- Only have 2-3 x 1 hour sessions to hit the barbell a week.
- Have a doorway pullup bar at home.
I've been doing high volume basic bodyweight work but now looking into lifting again.
Thanks for all your help so far!
I read a Wendler piece before where he recommended subbing bench for rows, and squats for cleans. Press you clean up before a set and deads stay the same.
Day 1
Front Squat - 3x5+ (clean Weight UP)
Thrusters - 5x10
SLDL - 5x10
Weighted Close grip Pushups- 5x10
(chins between all sets above)
Day 2
Deadlift - 1x5+
Press - 5x10
Rows - 5x10
Curls/Triceps/Rear delts(use plates for reverse row) - 3x10 giant sets
Posted on 8/23/18 at 9:29 am to lsu777
Oh right I was thinking something more like.
A.
3x5+ Floor Press
3x5+ Front Squat (clean up first)
B.
3x5+ Press (clean first)
1x5+ Deadlift
Plus chins or whatever.
1 minute rests.
Figured this looked more like the original greyskull setup?
A.
3x5+ Floor Press
3x5+ Front Squat (clean up first)
B.
3x5+ Press (clean first)
1x5+ Deadlift
Plus chins or whatever.
1 minute rests.
Figured this looked more like the original greyskull setup?
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