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re: The Greyskull Methods- A Primer

Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:27 am to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:27 am to
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Agree on Greg’s physique, although I’m skeptical that he built it using his own programs/methods haha. Seems to have looked essentially the same for the past decade.


why? like most naturals he responds very well to high intensity and adding of strength. look at doggcrapp....built tons of amazing physiques with low volume/high intensity both natty and non natty.

as far as greg looking the same...unless he wants to build his legs through tons of squats and RFESS and rdl and build his arse or build his back through a stupid strong deadlift/seal row....he isnt going to change his physique very much. he is pretty close to maxed out ffmi wise for a natural and he likes to party as he is still pretty young guy that is single that has money.
Posted by Scooby
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 7:10 pm to
Quick question. I’ve been running the asthetics template. What are some exercises I can sub/add that would be good for golf. I’m guessing rotational type exercises.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 7:33 am to
dont add anything as main exercises but instead want you to start using medballs after your very initial warm up. assuming you have a place to throw them against a wall....we want to do scoop toss and you want to try and throw as hard as you can or as far as you can if you have space to stretch a long tape measure.

we want to do about 5 with heavier and 5 with lighter balls

if you only have a place you can slam balls into the ground then you will want to do rotational slams

other items you can add

1. bear crawl and reverse bear crawl for mobility
2. iso holds in the rotational positions
3. reverse lunge iso hold
4. reverse lunge iso deadlift
5. cable chops


med balls will be best though. look at bill miller cscs on instagram to get ideas.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
3615 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:18 pm to
Do ya'll do the full warm up like is recommended? I'll admit, kind of skimmed through that with the book. Yesterday I did warmup with the bar but didn't gradually add weights.... bench and deadlift. I'll also admit I was rushed for a workout, especially since I needed to do a 30 minute walk as I'm on the fat burn workout.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:56 pm to
I do plus a lot more but I’m 42 and have been lifting since I was 13, I do a bunch extra to stay healthy
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
3615 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:37 pm to
Gotcha, I'll make sure to do the full warm up. I'm 50 so know I need it.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
9616 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 10:38 pm to
You won't realize how much you needed it until it's too late
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
9616 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:05 am to
What's the preferred method when you don't have your fractional plates? Going up by 5 lbs each session on the upper body lifts seems like a lot. I was thinking either increasing by 5 lbs every other session and either going for a rep record when hitting the same weight for the 2nd time or just slowing the negatives way down the 2nd time
Posted by bamaguy17
Member since Jul 2022
1207 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:40 am to
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What's the preferred method when you don't have your fractional plates?

Ive always liked dropping back a few weeks and beating previous rep prs
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 11:05 am to
either do like bama said and drop back and shoot for rep record or

my preferred method would be to move to a dependent RPT scheme.

so set 1 would turn into your money set and heavy set

1) set 1- 3-6 reps. meaning you start with a weight you can get 3/4 times and stick with that weight until you can get 6 reps with it. this set determines when you move all the sets up 5 lbs

2) set 2- 6-10 reps. we are going to use weight we can do 6 times. we will stay with this weight until you move up in weight on set 1. we try and set rep records every time on this

3) set 3 8-12 reps. again we dont stop at 12 we push until failure on all sets and record for rep records


here is a good write up from martin berkham on RPT

LINK

when you get to a point you need a break, simply go back like 6 weeks and set rep records with each weight. sure reps will be higher but they will naturally come back down as you add 5 lbs each time.


last thing you can do, is simply stay at same weight for the 2 week cycles, do the lift with same weight all three times in a two week period trying to get better at form and hitting more reps each time. or stick with the weight until you can get 10 reps.



or just buy some fractional plates off amazon, they arent much.
This post was edited on 2/14/24 at 11:07 am
Posted by SkintBack
SoLo
Member since Nov 2015
1844 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 12:13 pm to
I wait until I hit 10 reps on the AMRAP set and then add 5 lbs the next time.
Posted by DarkSk0ll
Member since Dec 2018
59 posts
Posted on 2/26/24 at 11:03 am to
I do it like this as well, but I add load already after making 8 reps.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
3615 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:47 pm to
Been doing GreySkull for a couple months now. Really good improvements In strength and can tell a big difference in chest, legs, arms. Not much to add but I’m enjoying it and appreciate the help in this thread.
Posted by DrDenim
By the airport
Member since Sep 2022
911 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 3:27 pm to


Glad to hear it. If it's working, keep doing it, your consistency will pay dividends.
Posted by BadMrK
Addis, La
Member since Dec 2016
146 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:54 am to
I started lifting a week ago, haven't lifted in probably 8 years or so. Feeling great!

I'm doing Phrak's variant., and I have a couple of questions.
1. For chinups, I'm only getting to 3-4 on my AMRAP set. Should I begin to add weight as soon has I can do 5 reps? or should I wait until 7 or so?

2. Regarding the homework bodyweight stuff. I'm concerned that it will interfere with recovery, particularly for the chinups which I'm already not completing my AMRAP set. Should I hold off on these until I can complete the working sets, or continue with the homework. For chinup homework, I'm doing 3 rep sets using the FM.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
34737 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:25 am to
quote:

1. For chinups, I'm only getting to 3-4 on my AMRAP set. Should I begin to add weight as soon has I can do 5 reps? or should I wait until 7 or so?


no, dont load until you can get 8 strict chest to bar with full dead hang.

quote:

2. Regarding the homework bodyweight stuff. I'm concerned that it will interfere with recovery, particularly for the chinups which I'm already not completing my AMRAP set. Should I hold off on these until I can complete the working sets, or continue with the homework. For chinup homework, I'm doing 3 rep sets using the FM.


do not hold off. these should be very very easy sets and should not interfere with recovery. if you currently do 3-4 on amrap, these sets should be 1 rep from a dead hang. set a number of total reps for the week, say 50 for week 1. try and average 10 sets of 1 for 5 days. or 7 sets of 1 for all 7 days. just get the total reps in for the week using sets of 1. work up until you are getting total of 100 reps for the week using the 1 rep method using jumps of about 10 reps per week, so 4-5 week progression

then go back to 50 reps, but do sets of 2, to get there. adding total reps until you get to 100

back off again to 50 using sets of 3.

so on and so fourth.

Posted by BadMrK
Addis, La
Member since Dec 2016
146 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:38 am to
Will do. Thanks for the quick response!
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
9616 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 2:01 pm to
At what point would you recommend rotating plug ins?

Current template
A. Bench 2x5,1x5+
Rear delt cable flyes 2x10-12
Close Grip Bench 2x8,1x8+
Seated row machine 2x6-8
Machine Preacher curl 2x10-15

B. OHP 2x5, 1x5+
Weighted Chins 2x6-8
Machine reverse fly 2x10-12
Machine incline Chest press 2x6-8
DB Skullcrushers 2x10-15

I'm still making some progress on the Bench and OHP but all my plug ins have stalled except the rear delt cable flyes and chins.

I'm finding the Close Grip Bench is kinda hard to do with AMRAPs. It's just so easy to cheat to get it up

Squats are going fine. Still rehabbing a back injury so I'm doing a lot of rehab type work for that, but im starting to tape off it. I only just recently started re-introducing heavy squats and deadlifts. I'm moving up from 1 day a week of squats to twice a week starting next week using 2x5, 1x5+ rep scheme. Plenty of room to progress there still. Deadlifts I'm just doing 5x5, but prob going to start AMRAPs in a month.
This post was edited on 7/20/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted by DrDenim
By the airport
Member since Sep 2022
911 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 5:15 am to
What do you mean by stalled? I decided to rotate my assistance movements every 4 weeks, a month just sounded right, its a long enough time period to see some results but its frequent enough to prevent me from getting bored, hurt, or out of balance.

I've never felt I was stuck on anything with my assistance work. Are you doing a progression with those lifts? That's probably why I'm confused. I've never really thought about progress with assistance work. Admittedly, that's just due to my own laziness, and not taking assistance work as seriously as I do the main lifts. The bar is set pretty low for me, if I do any assistance work ....it's enough. I definitely need to start focusing on my assistance work in a different way.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
9616 posts
Posted on 7/25/24 at 9:52 am to
Yea I've been trying to increase the weight while staying in that rep range. I don't increase it nearly as often as I do on the compound lifts. Some of these are just difficult movements to progress. Like a rear delt cable fly just isn't going to keep going up the same way a bench press would.
For rear delt cable flyes I might start at 2x10 and eventually get up to 2x12 with the same weight and then get stuck at 2x12 with that weight for a long time. If I try to increase 5 lbs I'm not getting back to the 10-12 rep range without cheating the reps.

On the other hand I've had good success with this on weighted chins. I started with no weight 2x6-8 and kept increasing. One day I might get 2x6 with 10 lbs and then increase to 15 lbs and get 2x7. Last week I hit 2x8 at 25 lbs and so I'll move up to 30 lbs today
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