re: So protein has 4 calories per Gram...

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you are wasting your time arguing with stupidity

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I have a bad habit of that

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I have a bad habit of that

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so do i. its a really bad habit of mine and sometimes its just to waste time throughout the day.

i sometimes just cant wrap my brain around others not understanding.

sometimes im like that with math, engineering and especially bad about it when it comes to lifting/performance training ......and unfortunately really bad about it when it comes to travel baseball. :cheers: :cheers:

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you are wasting your time arguing with stupidity

this thread is full of fricking tards.

everyone saying calories are not created equal then how you explain the 100+ studies that show once calories and protein are equated, you lose bodyfat at the same rate when deficit is equated?

literally post the studies or meta analysis or stfu with that dumb shite

i dont care about how you "feel" about a subject, show the studies or stfu

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Why are you so angry?

Your studies are great and all. We're talking about the real world.

A person who is eating 3000 garbage calories a day is not going to continue consuming 3000 calories if they switch to a diet consisting of real food. I promise you.

We're talking in generalities here. Obviously there are exceptions, but when talking about a quick step change and the impact it would have on the average american (take OP for example. 5'5" and 240 lbs) the oversimplified and high level concept of "you'll lose weight if you consume only 'healthy' things" is probably applicable to most.

The thing about eating healthy is that it's really not all that enjoyable. It's fun to eat pizza and ice cream, that's why obese people keep eating. It's not fun to eat boiled chicken and broccoli. So if that's all you can eat, you're just not gonna eat as much.

I absolutely assure you, if he made no changes except to replace his entire diet with healthy options (see the stuff I laid out in prior posts) he would lose weight. He could eat however much of it he desired, he'd still lose weight. He's not going to match his caloric intake of coke and bon bons with his caloric intake of water, chicken and rice. He will get full, he will not enjoy eating, and so he won't eat.

Seriously though, maybe roll one up and drink a beer. This shouldn't rustle you so much

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Going by your logic, a sugary beverage is better for you than a handful of nuts. That’s just not what the unbiased studies have shown.Looking only at calories ignores the metabolic effects of each calorie; the source of the calorie changes how you digest it and how you retrieve energy from it. That's what us 'fricking tards' are trying to explain.

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If you wanted to eat in a caloric surplus, nuts and nut butters would be a pretty easy way to get there. Those items have to be eaten in extreme moderation if you're looking to create a calorie deficit or even stay at maintenance calories.

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Like the recent studies that red meat causes diabetes

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pretty easy to read the study and see its faulty and not controlled well

but when you have 100plus saying same thing and meta analysis and peer reviewed and all come to the same conclusion that supports our understanding of thermodynamics....

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Going by your logic, a sugary beverage is better for you than a handful of nuts

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better in which way? we are talking fat loss. not health markers but to be fair...most health markers are effected most positively based on fat loss.

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That’s just not what the unbiased studies have shown.Looking only at calories ignores the metabolic effects of each calorie; the source of the calorie changes how you digest it and how you retrieve energy from it. That's what us 'fricking tards' are trying to explain.

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no, you must take into account things like dietary induced thermogensis. but we have a very good understanding of fatloss, very very good. and until you get down below like 12% bodyfat, things like insulin spikes dont really matter

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Jared Fogle lost 100 pounds eating Subway sandwiches and walking. He looked like absolute shite and didn't have a single muscle in his entire body.

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was he making sure he got enough protein and performing resistance training? no he wasnt. he didnt have muscle before so why would he suddenly when we know overall you must be in a caloric deficit and that in and of itself is catabolic. factor in he was in a huge deficit which we know is extremely catabolic

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How would he have looked and how long would it have taken him to get there if he ate steak and eggs instead of Subway sandwiches?

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pretty much the same if he didnt perform resistance training and was still in that big of a deficit if protein is equated

again you are missing the protein equated part

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Anyone can lose weight eating 2 meals at Taco Bell a day but it doesn't tell us the whole story.

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you are right it doesnt but if caloric deficit and protein are equated...fat loss will be equal

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Why are you so angry?

Your studies are great and all. We're talking about the real world.

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no shite and it shows exactly the same...ever heard of if it fits your macros?

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A person who is eating 3000 garbage calories a day is not going to continue consuming 3000 calories if they switch to a diet consisting of real food. I promise you.

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no shite because if you raise protein Dietary induced thermogensis will be different especially if person starts geting 200g protein so not prolly 200calories just from Thermic effect of food is coming off the total

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We're talking in generalities here. Obviously there are exceptions, but when talking about a quick step change and the impact it would have on the average american (take OP for example. 5'5" and 240 lbs) the oversimplified and high level concept of "you'll lose weight if you consume only 'healthy' things" is probably applicable to most.

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but lets explain why. CICO and protein.

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I absolutely assure you, if he made no changes except to replace his entire diet with healthy options (see the stuff I laid out in prior posts) he would lose weight. He could eat however much of it he desired, he'd still lose weight. He's not going to match his caloric intake of coke and bon bons with his caloric intake of water, chicken and rice. He will get full, he will not enjoy eating, and so he won't eat.

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lets explain why though..its because of the satiety of the food causing him to eat less and the raising of protein causing a much greater thermic effect from Dietary induced thermogensis.

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Seriously though, maybe roll one up and drink a beer. This shouldn't rustle you so much

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no rustled just annoyed when people act like calories dont matter

i dont give a frick if you eat keto while intermittent fasting, if you eat ina caloric surplus....you will gain weight.

No need to argue, the science will be settled by end of day one way or the other.

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Quick easy 6AM breakfast of 6 eggs and 2 cups of oats.

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BTW, just reading that is going to keep me full until 3:00.

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.7-.8g per lb of body weight should work for pretty much everyone. 1g per lb would all but guarantee you are getting enough essential amino acids.

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To simplify your statement, shoot for 0.75 to 1.00 gram per pound of weight and, particularly if you have kidney issues, spread that out over 4 cycles (and could be 3 meals and a supplement like a shake.)

For those wanting to keep the carbs low, supplement with high quality fats, olive oil or avocado oil, maybe add avocado, almonds, etc., to hit maintenance levels of calories. Be smart with carbs, too - oats over rice/potatoes, fruits/veggies over grains (micronutrients and fiber-rich).