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re: So my testosterone levels doubled over the last 6 months...UPDATE page 4
Posted on 3/16/25 at 8:07 am to lsu777
Posted on 3/16/25 at 8:07 am to lsu777
Started taking Boron 3mg three times daily for a total of 9 mg a day about a month ago. Woke up with erections regularly. Stopped all supplements a week ago for a procedure, no more morning wood. Not sure if it’s just a coincidence, but enough to convince me. Recent total testosterone level was 650. Late 40’s. Healthy diet, need to exercise more.
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Posted on 3/16/25 at 10:01 am to Uncle JackD
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Which level did you feel better at? That’s really all that matters
Amen Uncle JackD!
If you need peace of mind for potential blood work anomalies (like elevated PSA, etc) then just test for that every six months to a year to monitor it. And stay in the gym regardless. Live life!
Posted on 3/16/25 at 11:50 am to Uncle JackD
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Which level did you feel better at? That’s really all that matters
Yeah, hard to say right now. One problem I have is when my testosterone goes up, so does my estrogen, so I have to take an estrogen blocker too.
I'll give it a few more weeks see how it goes.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 11:56 am to TigerGman
quote:That’s what it’s supposed to do, to a certain extent. Unless you’re having symptoms of high E2, there’s no need for an AI. 99/100 people on typical TRT doses, do not need an AI. Estradiol is super beneficial to men.
testosterone goes up, so does my estrogen
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:44 pm to Uncle JackD
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hat’s what it’s supposed to do, to a certain extent. Unless you’re having symptoms of high E2, there’s no need for an AI. 99/100 people on typical TRT doses, do not need an AI. Estradiol is super beneficial to men.
Yeah, It was 54.3 in late January. High enough for him to be concerned about it I guess.
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:59 pm to TigerGman
Perfectly normal e2 level if your total T is 1000. But he’s just following the masses and their cookie cutter protocols. I’d bet allot of $ you’d feel much better if you tossed the AIs. Just my .02
Posted on 3/16/25 at 11:08 pm to TigerGman
My Dad’s oncologist told him taking T with Prostate cancer was like throwing gas on a fire.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 4:59 am to Uncle JackD
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I’d bet allot of $ you’d feel much better if you tossed the AIs. Just my .02
I might give it a whirl.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:57 am to TigerGman
I'm doing trt (120mg a week). I'm 2 months in and labs showed not much change at all. Dr upping to 200mg a week.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:17 pm to lsu777
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correct, it was observation study, but those that took boron had decreased risk. not necessarily by dosage just those that took at least 6mg had decreased risk
And that is interesting because, normally increased T levels are a risk factor for prostate cancer. In fact, if you already have a prostate tumor, spiking T levels is like pouring gasoline on a fire.
But it is very strange. If you are treating low-T with TRT, it isn't associated with the development of cancer. On the other hand, if you do develop prostate cancer, and you take androgen deprivation therapy to reduce T levels, you can develop liver cancer.
Bottom line: It is encouraging that at least one study associated boron with a lower risk of prostate cancer.
Posted on 3/18/25 at 9:49 pm to TigerGman
I take the Opti-Men multivitamin which has 2mg of Boron included.
Dumb question but what’s the point of taking a standalone vitamin supplement when you can get a full spectrum from a multi? My hypothesis is better absorption from the standalone but idk.
Dumb question but what’s the point of taking a standalone vitamin supplement when you can get a full spectrum from a multi? My hypothesis is better absorption from the standalone but idk.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:57 am to Samso
To not start another thread:
I just got labs drawn. Test 399 (Low - Normal)
38yo male, active, 6'2 160, skinny (bordering skinny fat), low muscle mass, decent diet but not super clean.
Doc wants me to come back in 3 weeks and get labs drawn again (BCBS requires additional draw).
I do not know at what levels they cover TRT, I just think doc is doing me a solid.
I dont have any glaring symptoms outside of wanting the physical benefits. We have not talked about "optimal" levels, which Im assuming would be in the 600-ish range?
ETA: I got some boron but was going to take after 2nd lab draw as to not synthetically raise levels beforehand
I just got labs drawn. Test 399 (Low - Normal)
38yo male, active, 6'2 160, skinny (bordering skinny fat), low muscle mass, decent diet but not super clean.
Doc wants me to come back in 3 weeks and get labs drawn again (BCBS requires additional draw).
I do not know at what levels they cover TRT, I just think doc is doing me a solid.
I dont have any glaring symptoms outside of wanting the physical benefits. We have not talked about "optimal" levels, which Im assuming would be in the 600-ish range?
ETA: I got some boron but was going to take after 2nd lab draw as to not synthetically raise levels beforehand
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 8:59 am
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:02 am to Polar Pop
I'm not sure how it all works. I am younger than you and my last bloods had my total levels at 329, but I feel fine and have a lot of muscle mass. Its crazy how different test levels affect people differently.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:03 am to Polar Pop
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I do not know at what levels they cover TRT, I just think doc is doing me a solid.
Even if insurance doesn't cover it, it's not that expensive if your primary care doc and not one of those TRT clinics is prescribing it. I use Amazon pharmacy and it'd be around $80 a vial (about 3 months worth for me) if my insurance didn't cover it. It'd 100% be worth the 80.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:09 am to The Dudes Rug
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Its crazy how different test levels affect people differently.
Its wild man. I honestly thought mine would be lower, due to one of my buddies getting his levels tested at 425 and he is just fricking naturally jacked. I would have guessed his would have been 700ish
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:09 am to Polar Pop
quote:That’s very low for a 38 yr old. Especially one who isn’t obese. Idgaf what BCBS or MD says, it’s low.
Test 399 (Low - Normal) 38yo male, active, 6'2 160
quote:Usually 300
do not know at what levels they cover TRT, I just think doc is doing me a solid.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:11 am to Uncle JackD
Good video I just watched on the reasons why Testosterone is demonized. Political as I expected.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:16 am to Uncle JackD
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That’s very low for a 38 yr old. Especially one who isn’t obese. Idgaf what BCBS or MD says, it’s low.
But what would be the advantages of raising it if you aren't experiencing symptoms? For example, I am 36 and my level was 329. I am 218 @13.9% BF. Zero low T symptoms.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 9:39 am to The Dudes Rug
quote:I prob wouldn’t. But it’s still low. If you’re experiencing zero symptoms… Fatigue, loss of muscle mass, low libido, etc…. Just let it ride until you need exogenous test.
But what would be the advantages of raising it if you aren't experiencing symptoms?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 10:57 am to Uncle JackD
Ill report back on my levels when I re-test in a few weeks.
I dont really have any abnormal fatigue outside of being tired from work and chasing my kids around and shite.
Libido is definitely not what it was when i was 18, but I accept the fact that Im 38 and half the time idgaf due to my wifes general bullshite. He did gladly give me a cialis script though.
I dont really have any abnormal fatigue outside of being tired from work and chasing my kids around and shite.
Libido is definitely not what it was when i was 18, but I accept the fact that Im 38 and half the time idgaf due to my wifes general bullshite. He did gladly give me a cialis script though.
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