re: Salmon or Tuna

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Was going to respond to more, but I’ll just ask this. Why is a farm raised salmon that isn’t fed corn and uses natural astaxanthin toxic?

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I'm guessing it's not. I'm also guessing that's not the median farmed salmon an American is presented with while shopping.

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Perfect, glad you could finally agree with my original post and have abandoned your silly notion that all farm raised salmon is bad and toxic. Not sure why you felt the hyperbolic fear mongering was necessary, but glad we could get past such statements.

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That was an extremely laborious way to get past the absurdity of you assuming I assumed there couldn't be exceptions. In general, it's bad.

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Publix I know has at least two brands they carry that use natural astaxanthin. One I’m 90% sure doesn’t use corn when creating their feed, the other I know does. Though if corn is our sticking point, I think we've lost the plot. I would wager the majority of super markets carry a farm salmon that uses natural astaxanthin.

Bakkafrost is a very good farm that most can buy online and from a number of different markets.

If one really wants to get into the weeds, farm salmon is essential. It is absolutely necessary. We cannot even come close to catching enough wild salmon to meet requirements. Hell, wild caught numbers have basically been stagnant for 30 years or so. If you want to be able to keep eating wild salmon at any type of reasonable price, you actually need people to eat farm salmon.

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Seems highly unlikely those two brands can come close at all to meeting the demand you are referring to...meaning the vast majority of farmed salmon will be the exact dreck I decried in the first place.

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Jesus christ man, I can't with you. Those were just three examples that were easily available at most major markets. Those are not the only ones.

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Estimate the percentage of global farmed salmon supply that you think meets these lofty claims of yours. My guess? Less than 10%. Maybe less than 1%.

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If you could comprehend anything that i've posted over the last two pages

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You say this in every single thread you jump in. It’s the old saying if you meet an a-hole in the morning… if you meet assholes all day long


Maybe you should try making sense

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What?

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Well, in a discussion where you tried to claim an absolute based on your own personal criteria, I proved that absolute false using your own criteria, and provided options that are easily available anywhere in the country, the worldwide production of farm salmon breakdown is pretty irrelevant since it has no bearing. I’ve already stated there are good and bad farms. It’s just an attempt to shift the goalpost when your absolute was shown to be wrong. Since you were the one to make the claim to never buy farm raised, any % that is “good” based on your personal criteria, increases the market share of good salmon. The position you want people to take makes eating “good” salmon more difficult on everyone.

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Just answer the question.

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Hard to say. I’m not really concerned with what the world does. In the U.S. market, there was a study last year that showed natural was roughly 60% of the market share of astaxanthin sold and aquaculture was slightly below 50% of that market. Can’t remember its name, I’ll try and find it this evening.

The largest U.S. based farms have almost universally gone to natural. Largest in the Faroe Islands is as well. I think Norway’s largest offers both options, they have other prominent ones that are all natural.

Which gets us back to my original point made in all this, which makes the question irrelevant. There are good farms and bad farms. So, saying all farm raised salmon is bad is objectively false, and I’ve shown that to be the case, even using your criteria that I don’t think are reasonable.

So, seeing as our society absolutely requires farm raised salmon, it is naive and harmful to instruct people to never buy it. You should instead be directing people to both the good farm raised options and wild options instead of trying to scare them away from it altogether. That will grow the market for the farms that do things the right way, both growing the quality of the farm raised options as well as ease fishing requirements and harmful things that can be the byproduct of wild caught demand becoming too sustainably high, making both markets better.

Oh nice, I'll have to give that a try

Recommended safe amounts are generally 8-12 oz for adults per week max. There is still some mercury issues with salmon, not as much as tuna, but it is still there.

Yep, would be fine. Ultimately you'd probably be fine having it three times a week if you are getting high quality salmon and the rest of your diet is getting other needed nutrients and stuff. Those recommended levels kind of take everything into consideration and basically say generally, at this level there aren't any real long term problem no matter what.

Nevermind - already addressed the topic.