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Question for those who do both strength training and distance running
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:30 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:30 am
What does a typical week of programming look like?
I have recently taken up running after 4-5 years of strength training with zero cardio, and my typical week was squat Mon, bench wed, deadlift fri, and press sat. I have kept the same strength training schedule and added 3 runs Mon, wed, and sat, and my knees are shot. I am wondering if this is a matter of just needing to stick it out and improve conditioning or if this schedule won’t work.
I have recently taken up running after 4-5 years of strength training with zero cardio, and my typical week was squat Mon, bench wed, deadlift fri, and press sat. I have kept the same strength training schedule and added 3 runs Mon, wed, and sat, and my knees are shot. I am wondering if this is a matter of just needing to stick it out and improve conditioning or if this schedule won’t work.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:37 am to sp22
This sounds like a recovery issue. You’re adding more training on top of days you’re already training. I would recommend running on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. You may also need to look at your diet. You might want to eat a little more to compensate for more calorie expenditure. On the strength training days, I would recommend going on walks for 30-60 minutes just to push blood around your body, which promotes recovery.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 7:40 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:39 am to sp22
How fast did you add running to your program? Going from zero days to three is a big jump. You may have added too fast and didn’t build up your work capacity. If you can’t run on your off days, try just on Wednesday and add as you progress.
Could also be your running shoes. If they don’t fit well, it can cause joint pain.
Could also be your running shoes. If they don’t fit well, it can cause joint pain.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 7:46 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:49 am to DeafJam73
I did go from zero to three days. I have been eating a bit more and have maintained my weight since starting, but have definitely felt like I haven’t been recovering adequately. Think I could definitely do without the Monday run after squats for now
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:05 am to sp22
I do both. I weigh 240 so I gotta get creative with how I run. Weight room wise I don’t do a whole lot of extra other than major compound lifts and maybe 1-2 assistance depending on my deficiencies.
RUNNING: for long, flat, slow runs (15 miles and up) I do 4min run:1min walk. I worked up to this from 2:1. I also never run back to back days and spend 90% of my “running” on steep hills. Cycling is your friend here for active recovery and a break from actually running.
If I were you I’d start out walking some every day and only running 2 days a week for a few weeks then add the 3rd day. Stretch those IT bands and Psoas!
EDIT: absolutely gotta hit that protein #. AT LEAST your BWx1.2g.
RUNNING: for long, flat, slow runs (15 miles and up) I do 4min run:1min walk. I worked up to this from 2:1. I also never run back to back days and spend 90% of my “running” on steep hills. Cycling is your friend here for active recovery and a break from actually running.
If I were you I’d start out walking some every day and only running 2 days a week for a few weeks then add the 3rd day. Stretch those IT bands and Psoas!
EDIT: absolutely gotta hit that protein #. AT LEAST your BWx1.2g.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 8:08 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:11 am to Macrell
Appreciate the advice, I think I’ll shoot for 2 days running that aren’t on or the day before lower body workouts at first. I am mostly the same with the workouts, main compound lift plus usually some sort of row or pull and not a ton of accessories, and walk the dog twice a day so should be good on that front.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:15 am to sp22
What distances were you running three times a week? How many weeks in are you with incorporating distance running into your weekly routine? Do you have good running shoes?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:22 am to McVick
Only 1-1.5 miles Per run at the moment, I am three weeks in. Running shoes fit pretty well but I do have to tie them pretty tight to stop the heel from slipping, guess it’s possible that I should go get fitted for a new pair
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:24 am to sp22
I like timed runs as well. Like 4:1 run/walk for 30mins, 2:1run/walk four 90mins etc., or “I’m gonna walk this steep arse hill for 2 hrs” haha. I got hurt years ago chasing distances but that was me just being a meat head.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:32 am to sp22
I strength train/crossfit on M/W/F and run on T/TH/Sun
as for your knees, that could be a host of issues, ranging from your form from running, your form from lifting, old injuries, or lack of recovery
as for your knees, that could be a host of issues, ranging from your form from running, your form from lifting, old injuries, or lack of recovery
Posted on 4/9/21 at 8:39 am to Salmon
Would not doubt if it had something to do with running form. I’ve done a bit of research on that and know that I need to increase my cadence and lean forward
Posted on 4/9/21 at 9:14 am to sp22
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What does a typical week of programming look like?
I have recently taken up running after 4-5 years of strength training with zero cardio, and my typical week was squat Mon, bench wed, deadlift fri, and press sat. I have kept the same strength training schedule and added 3 runs Mon, wed, and sat, and my knees are shot. I am wondering if this is a matter of just needing to stick it out and improve conditioning or if this schedule won’t work.
Basically my exact situation about a year ago. Gyms closed here and there’s only so many push-ups and body weight exercises I can do before I get bored and irritated. Started running (have HATED it my entire life). HUGE difference when a friend of mine made me go to a Fleet Feet and get fitted for and purchase running shoes. From my, non-professional experience, your knees very well could be a product of new activity and the shoes.
Gyms opened back up after 5-6 weeks, but I’ve kept at running. Currently I hit the gym 3 days a week and run 2-3 days a week. Usually I run after work for 2-2.5 miles one day during the week and try to hit a long run Saturday or Sunday for 4-6 miles depending on how I feel. Always take a rest day after my long run. The 3 mi and under runs I will still hit the gym the following day. I prefer to run the day before leg day vs after it, if I can help it. Sometimes I’ll hit legs and then run the next day for 3 mi or less and then take a rest day after that.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 9:53 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:04 am to sp22
I recently did a half marathon training plan where I ran four times, lifted twice, and biked twice per week.
My weights plan was simple.
Monday
Squats, 3x10 (focus on form and flexibility and add weight slowly)
Military press, 4x5 (focus on increasing weight)
Cable lateral raises, 4x15
Dumbbell curls, 4x15
Russian twists, 4x30-45 (each side)
Plank, 4x45-60 seconds
Wednesday
Deadlift, 3x10
Benchpress, 4x5
Chest flyes, 4x15
Triceps cable pressdowns, 4x15
Same core work as on Monday
My weights plan was simple.
Monday
Squats, 3x10 (focus on form and flexibility and add weight slowly)
Military press, 4x5 (focus on increasing weight)
Cable lateral raises, 4x15
Dumbbell curls, 4x15
Russian twists, 4x30-45 (each side)
Plank, 4x45-60 seconds
Wednesday
Deadlift, 3x10
Benchpress, 4x5
Chest flyes, 4x15
Triceps cable pressdowns, 4x15
Same core work as on Monday
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:30 am to sp22
Look at the templates in 531 forever. Wendler has a couple, specifically run forest run that sound like they would work well for you.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:36 am to LSU Patrick
Well short term goals in strength training are to hit 300/400/500 b/s/d, currently 285/405/475 so not far off. Mainly just wanted to take up running to improve cardiovascular health, have a short term goal of 5k under 9 min mile pace for that. I know that the two can interfere with each other so expect some growing pains just training to figure out a good balance to slowly improve in both areas
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 11:56 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:37 am to lsu777
Will do, have used 5/3/1 a lot and left out the cardio side lol
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:46 am to sp22
Dang. You are strong. Your running goals should be easy to achieve and won’t interfere with the your strength training. You can run/walk a few times per week and be able to run a 5k at that pace in just a few weeks.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:55 am to LSU Patrick
Thanks, yeah I believe it is achievable short term, I will see what happens and how much it affects the strength training and go from there in the medium to long term
Also realized in previous post I had squat and bench reversed, I do not bench 405 lol
Also realized in previous post I had squat and bench reversed, I do not bench 405 lol
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 11:57 am
Posted on 4/9/21 at 1:07 pm to sp22
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Thanks, yeah I believe it is achievable short term
Your goals are achievable. I can run a 7 min pace 5k and my lifts are on par with yours right now (except my bench is weaker)
1 of your cardio days needs to be speed work though
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