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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread
Posted on 4/7/25 at 4:34 pm to Ol boy
Posted on 4/7/25 at 4:34 pm to Ol boy
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Congrats on a solid finish.
Thanks!
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What was your longest run and pace and weekly mileage prior to the race?
Longest run was a 50k race. Most of the training included back-to-back long runs. Mileage varied from week to week with as little as 35 and as much as 70. It was sort of like having several 3-4 week mini blocks where mileage would build from one week to the next for a few weeks and then drop down to allow rest. Training run pace varied. On long runs, I would try to go for race pace, but almost always ran faster. On mid-week runs, I just kept a casual pace unless I was doing specific speedwork or hills.
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Planning on running a 50k in a couple of months and still trying to develop a game plan for pacing, only have one road marathon and my longs runs to go off of so far.
When you say too fast did you start off running the first loop and just too fast or run walking as well but just not enough walk
Good luck! I think it was a bit of both... I ran too fast when I was running, and I ran some stretches that I should have walked. I've used the same training plans for all of my ultras over the last 3 years - 50k, 50m, 100m - and they work for me. You can take a look (they are free) at Some Work All Play.
The one additional advice I would give is this: find somewhere to run that has similar terrain/elevation to your race. Even if you can do this only a few times, the experience it gives your body in preparation is invaluable.
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 5:12 pm to BoCam2
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You can take a look (they are free) at Some Work All Play.
Thanks for the advice and info I bookmarked it for future use. Depending on how my 50k goes I plan to shoot for a 50m next year after I turn 50.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 7:36 pm to BoCam2
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BoCam2
Good job man!! I can't believe you originally went out for a sub-24 with that elevation and heat
you are insanePosted on 4/7/25 at 8:00 pm to BaddestAndvari
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I can't believe you originally went out for a sub-24 with that elevation and heat you are insane
Well... I had Jeff Browning (winner of 31 - now 32 100+ milers) out there saying he was shooting for 15:25. I couldn't let him start his last lap before I started my 4th lap
*the heat actually got to him as well. He won of course, but it was at 17:30ish
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:06 pm to BoCam2
Question for you ultra guys because I genuinely don't know: when you're doing an event that takes 24+ hours, do you sleep? Is it like a quick nap at an aid station then you get up and go some more?
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:12 pm to BoCam2
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Jeff Browning (winner of 31 - now 32 100+ milers) out there saying he was shooting for 15:25. I couldn't let him start his last lap before I started my 4th lap
Generally speaking it is best to ignore other runners... ESPECIALLY if they are Legends like Jeff
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Question for you ultra guys because I genuinely don't know: when you're doing an event that takes 24+ hours, do you sleep? Is it like a quick nap at an aid station then you get up and go some more?
I didn't on my only 100 I've done. I really don't think it's normal to sleep until 200 miles
Posted on 4/7/25 at 8:23 pm to Ingeniero
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Question for you ultra guys because I genuinely don't know: when you're doing an event that takes 24+ hours, do you sleep? Is it like a quick nap at an aid station then you get up and go some more?
Most do not sleep on 100 milers (but there are some who will take a 15 minute power nap). When you start getting into 200 mile or 48+ hour runs is where sleep becomes a thing for everyone.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 9:43 am to BoCam2
Sleep during 100 milers is very individual based. If you’re typically going sub 24 and more so around the 20hr mark and under you’re not sleeping. However some people struggle once you hit that 1-2am mark bc that’s just normal for your body to ask why are we awake. My SO has napped during many races around that 2am mark. I’m usually pacing her at that point and will only let her sleep 10-15 minutes and it makes a world of difference for her. I took a couple naps during Badwater. The first one I woke up and felt great after that the returns greatly diminished and probably made it worse as I got stiff. Other reason people will nap is when they stomach turns a nap actually lets your system shut off and in a way reset. You also have to be good at napping. Sitting there and not being able to fall asleep might do more harm than good had you just kept walking. In the end there no right or wrong its just figuring out what gets the best out of you.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 9:50 am to ks_nola
I'd be seeing demons if I tried to do a 24+ hour race with no sleep. Y'all can keep all that
Posted on 4/8/25 at 9:54 am to ks_nola
My knees are on again/off again. My actual pain during the run isn't usually a problem. The next day, though, I'm having intermittent issues. This morning I went to spin class after doing a faster pace 6 miles yesterday (new PR in 5k of 7:30 pace) and when I straddled my bike and placed my right leg onto the pedal with all my weight on it, crazy pain shot up my shins into my knee. It got better once I started riding, but it was a whole new sensation. Also had some weird "trick knee" weakness when I was stretching afterwards.
So a scope may be in my future, but I'm curious about people's feelings on knee sleeves or braces for running? I know in the weight lifting world, braces and belts and such are somewhat controversial, but not sure about for running.
Assuming I should try one, any suggestions for type? Seeing everything from the crazy ones with plastic stays to just a simple compression sleeve to weird patellar bands that look more like a belt for your knee.
So a scope may be in my future, but I'm curious about people's feelings on knee sleeves or braces for running? I know in the weight lifting world, braces and belts and such are somewhat controversial, but not sure about for running.
Assuming I should try one, any suggestions for type? Seeing everything from the crazy ones with plastic stays to just a simple compression sleeve to weird patellar bands that look more like a belt for your knee.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 10:30 am to ks_nola
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ks_nola
When you're wife does those quick naps does she do the caffeine naps where you drink a whole bunch of caffeine right before going to sleep, so when you wake up the caffeine is JUST hitting and she feels great?
I had a friend do that at 6am during the Daytona 100, he said it was a gamechanger.
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I'd be seeing demons if I tried to do a 24+ hour race with no sleep. Y'all can keep all that
I mean, I was seeing some very very weird crap at 20 hours, so yeah lol
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/8/25 at 10:33 am to hogfly
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hogfly
a few questions for you:
1) When you say a new PR in the 5k, was that yesterday during your 6 mile run?
2) What is your weekly mileage looking like?
If you are in the middle of training and running 6 miles with a 5k PR in there... you might be experiencing really bad shin splints this morning, that is the most common overuse injury with running, and running 6 miles with a 5k PR in the middle would be classic overuse... probably.
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 10:38 am
Posted on 4/8/25 at 10:51 am to BaddestAndvari
I'm not really training for anything and I'm not on a structured plan. I basically run and make my own routes as I'm exploring trails. I usually do run one day and ride bikes the the other day. I usually do some kind of gym work in mornings 5 days a week.
Yesterday I sat out with the intention of doing a "middle-distance" run at a higher pace (My "long" runs are currently 10 miles often with a lot of train running).
And yeah, just ran the 6 miles at a more of a "stride" than a "shuffle" and within that PR'd the 5k (I just use free strava to track). And definitely felt like shin splits this morning when I put all my weight on the foot on the pedal.
Yesterday I sat out with the intention of doing a "middle-distance" run at a higher pace (My "long" runs are currently 10 miles often with a lot of train running).
And yeah, just ran the 6 miles at a more of a "stride" than a "shuffle" and within that PR'd the 5k (I just use free strava to track). And definitely felt like shin splits this morning when I put all my weight on the foot on the pedal.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:21 pm to BaddestAndvari
No she’ll just curl up in a ball on the side of the trail. She’s good at napping wherever when it hits. Massenutten 100 on top of the ridge line she laid down and was out. I sat on a tree stump. Few runners passed and made snarky comments but we got last running them down and her taking 3rd female.
Never heard of caffeine nap but guess it could work. Caffeine is another individual thing can work wonders or can make you puke if High temps and empty stomach.
We’ve ran Daytona and having to nap at 24rs and wake up to the sun and keep going sounds miserable.
Never heard of caffeine nap but guess it could work. Caffeine is another individual thing can work wonders or can make you puke if High temps and empty stomach.
We’ve ran Daytona and having to nap at 24rs and wake up to the sun and keep going sounds miserable.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 5:57 pm to ks_nola
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Few runners passed and made snarky comments
being assholes during a race NEVER comes back to bite you in the arse, nope, never
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Caffeine is another individual thing can work wonders or can make you puke if High temps and empty stomach.
I've been thinking about adding some caffeine gels to my regiment, but I'm very nervous because of this issue. I did energy drinks during Tunnel Hill, but I didn't drink one until mile 50 and then again at mile 75 and it had cooled off BIG time by then.
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We’ve ran Daytona and having to nap at 24rs and wake up to the sun and keep going sounds miserable.
Yeah, if I'm being honest, after they gave me a race report EVERYTHING about Daytona sounded miserable
Posted on 4/8/25 at 9:35 pm to BaddestAndvari
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been thinking about adding some caffeine gels to my regiment, but I'm very nervous because of this issue. I did energy drinks during Tunnel Hill, but I didn't drink one until mile 50 and then again at mile 75 and it had cooled off BIG time by then
Go all in and get the SiS nootropics gel, 200mg of caffeine.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 10:19 pm to ks_nola
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We’ve ran Daytona and having to nap at 24rs and wake up to the sun and keep going sounds miserable.
I have been following the monster 300. Cam
Hanes brother Taylor spike came in
Second and ran 309 miles in 88:38 with only about 4.5hr of sleep in 3.5 days allegedly!!
The whole family is amazing athletes.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:32 am to BaddestAndvari
Several gel brands have caffeine with only 20-40 mlg so you could start with those being low dose vs straight caffeine pill or 5hr energy.
Daytona isnt terrible. It can be fast if the sun doesn’t blast you and It’s easy to manage if you don’t have crew with aid stations and number of gas stations you pass along the way. I probably wouldn’t run it again but I would say it has its purpose especially for newer runners.
Daytona isnt terrible. It can be fast if the sun doesn’t blast you and It’s easy to manage if you don’t have crew with aid stations and number of gas stations you pass along the way. I probably wouldn’t run it again but I would say it has its purpose especially for newer runners.
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:37 am to Oates Mustache
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Go all in and get the SiS nootropics gel, 200mg of caffeine.
Does Depends make compression shorts?
Posted on 4/9/25 at 10:41 am to DownSouthJukin
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Does Depends make compression shorts?
I wish!
My body can tolerate caffeine gels, but that gel is quite a lot. It sells out in a few minutes after being put back in stock, so people love it.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 10:42 am
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