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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread
Posted on 1/2/23 at 11:44 pm to Ingeniero
Posted on 1/2/23 at 11:44 pm to Ingeniero
I have noticed that with the heart rate monitor on my garmin watch. If I understand correctly yall are saying the heart rate monitor is unable to read correctly so it displays cadence instead?
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 6:20 am to TigeRoots
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I just go back and forth between obsessing over HR during training and not really caring about it. I care less about it in the Louisiana Summer when it's unavoidable that every run is at least a tempo run, haha.
Dude, I’m right there with you. I try to tell myself to just go out and run for general feel. I’ve gotten better, but still some work to do. We also share the same obsession over Garmin body battery
Posted on 1/3/23 at 6:51 am to Walter White Jr
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Garmin body battery
Do y’all really get anything out of that measure? I see it on my daily report, but didn’t take much stock of it.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:45 am to Aubie Spr96
I think it’s generally helpful in the context of building good sleep habits, seeing the effect that alcohol has on your sleep, etc. But I find myself obsessing over it & wondering why I woke up with a body battery of 72 instead of 94 and realize how dumb it is for me to worry about that haha
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:47 am to Walter White Jr
Ran 37mins on the treadmill. My Garmin 255 + Polar H10 strap had exactly the same avg and max hr, 143 and 158. By looking at the graph on 5 minute intervals my garmin read mostly exact or -1bpm compared to my polar strap.
I haven't been able to add the polar h10 as a device into my Garmin.
I haven't been able to add the polar h10 as a device into my Garmin.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 12:07 pm to lsu xman
Mine was dramatically off (Garmin 745). Plus, it would lose reliable readings in the middle of a run. Like, my HR would go from 140 to 220 or some crazy shite like that.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:16 am to Walter White Jr
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I think it’s generally helpful in the context of building good sleep habits, seeing the effect that alcohol has on your sleep, etc. But I find myself obsessing over it & wondering why I woke up with a body battery of 72 instead of 94 and realize how dumb it is for me to worry about that haha
Dude same! I check it in the middle of the night when I get up to piss. It's insane. I rarely drink beer anymore because of it though. I think it's so ingrained in me now that my body will subconsciously feel whatever my body battery says I should feel or that it's just that accurate. Anyways as much as I obsess about it and whether it's accurate or not, it has taught me alot about recovery, alcohols effects and habits to maintain to help me feel and perform better. Happy customer.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:19 am to lsu xman
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Ran 37mins on the treadmill. My Garmin 255 + Polar H10 strap had exactly the same avg and max hr, 143 and 158. By looking at the graph on 5 minute intervals my garmin read mostly exact or -1bpm compared to my polar strap.
I haven't been able to add the polar h10 as a device into my Garmin.
Yeah chest strap and watch have both always been pretty close in my experience.
You need to make sure the Polar strap is Bluetooth. It may just be ANT+.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:19 am to TigeRoots
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I rarely drink beer anymore because of it though.
This was the biggest takeaway for me. The body battery is pretty unhelpful on its own, but it was consistently bad when I would drink. That's not a coincidence.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 4:56 pm to TigeRoots
Roots;
Best I can say is i just run. Some days (mainly treadmill) I'm focused on one aspect which may be speed or incline work. I have a plan for those runs and just attack it. some days those runs feel easy and some are struggles but I'm going to hit my marks. Other days I guess just go more by feel. Right or wrong not sure I'll change much but now I will start looking at the HR from my watch to see if any patterns develop.
Unless the hills on your wilderness trail run really set you back I don't think you should worry too much about 400' over a marathon. People approach hill work in different ways. I can walk out my door and get 1000 in 10 miles which I know isn't a realistic option for you (could run improved trails out at clark creek) so i suggest spending time on the treadmill. Just go do a normal run but set incline to 3% and see how it goes. you can also work hill intervals (5-8%) for time not speed. The continued pace at some incline helps control heart rate so when you have short "rollers" in race you avoid a huge spike. This is probably all stuff you already know but it just things i've done that have helped me.
Best I can say is i just run. Some days (mainly treadmill) I'm focused on one aspect which may be speed or incline work. I have a plan for those runs and just attack it. some days those runs feel easy and some are struggles but I'm going to hit my marks. Other days I guess just go more by feel. Right or wrong not sure I'll change much but now I will start looking at the HR from my watch to see if any patterns develop.
Unless the hills on your wilderness trail run really set you back I don't think you should worry too much about 400' over a marathon. People approach hill work in different ways. I can walk out my door and get 1000 in 10 miles which I know isn't a realistic option for you (could run improved trails out at clark creek) so i suggest spending time on the treadmill. Just go do a normal run but set incline to 3% and see how it goes. you can also work hill intervals (5-8%) for time not speed. The continued pace at some incline helps control heart rate so when you have short "rollers" in race you avoid a huge spike. This is probably all stuff you already know but it just things i've done that have helped me.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 1/5/23 at 12:58 pm to ks_nola
I'm finally getting back to running after a long hiatus. Starting off really easy with some spinning for cross training. If the hip holds up, I should be in decent shape this Spring.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 4:59 am to LSU Patrick
What are some go to meals the night before and the morning of marathon? Obviously high carb the night before and some low protein the morning of
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:16 am to ks_nola
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Unless the hills on your wilderness trail run really set you back I don't think you should worry too much about 400' over a marathon. People approach hill work in different ways. I can walk out my door and get 1000 in 10 miles which I know isn't a realistic option for you (could run improved trails out at clark creek) so i suggest spending time on the treadmill. Just go do a normal run but set incline to 3% and see how it goes. you can also work hill intervals (5-8%) for time not speed. The continued pace at some incline helps control heart rate so when you have short "rollers" in race you avoid a huge spike. This is probably all stuff you already know but it just things i've done that have helped me.
This is great info dude, thanks! I have a Nordic Trac X32i at home which has a 40% incline (not needed, haha) and also decline, which helps. I definitely will be implementing it at least once a week for hill work. So you don't think I should be worrying about getting in hills (on treadmill) at MP?
General thoughts on this being ran as a flatlander from Baton Rouge?
[/img]Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:17 am to LSU Patrick
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I'm finally getting back to running after a long hiatus. Starting off really easy with some spinning for cross training. If the hip holds up, I should be in decent shape this Spring.
Saw you pop up on Strava, man. Noice!
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:18 am to braud2go
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What are some go to meals the night before and the morning of marathon? Obviously high carb the night before and some low protein the morning of
I usually have my highest carb meal around noon the day before, eat something relatively light the night before. Salmon and rice is usually my go to. In the am I just stick to what I normally eat, oatmeal-almond butter-berries. Checks all boxes for me.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 5:59 am to braud2go
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What are some go to meals the night before and the morning of marathon? Obviously high carb the night before and some low protein the morning of
I always try to find Vietnamese. Specifically a good lemongrass chicken vermicelli bowl. High carb, high and lean protein, tastes good, and cheap.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 7:00 am to braud2go
Prolly not what everyone eats, but I love pizza the night before a race or tri. Morning of, it’s always a bagel with peanut butter. Just what works for me
Posted on 1/6/23 at 9:42 am to TigeRoots
Roots - you have more elevation loss than gain. they should make you run with ankle weights, hahaha. Looks like there are a couple of hills. Google and strava search for a course gpx file which I think you can upload to your treadmill and practice those sections of concern. If no gpx see if strava shows an average grade and distance and just minic that during your training run. Natural you will slow on the up but should be able to make the time lost on the down. Good part is the biggest come early in race. another suggestion is adding 10-15 minutes on the stairmaster after a run if you have access. stairmaster is highly overlooked as an effective hill training device.
send me an email if you want to talk in more detail. krspruell@gmail.com . you have plenty of time before the race to get "comfortable" even if its just from a mental standpoint.
Food advice prior to race - don't anything you don't normally eat. night before easy protein like baked/roasted chicken and a simple starch potato/rice. veggie are fine as long as they don't give you gas. Don't over eat trying to "carb load". last thing I want is to feel heavy and bloated. thats hard enough once you've tapered anyway. Morning of more of the same, whatever you've eaten before runs that don't give you the runs.
send me an email if you want to talk in more detail. krspruell@gmail.com . you have plenty of time before the race to get "comfortable" even if its just from a mental standpoint.
Food advice prior to race - don't anything you don't normally eat. night before easy protein like baked/roasted chicken and a simple starch potato/rice. veggie are fine as long as they don't give you gas. Don't over eat trying to "carb load". last thing I want is to feel heavy and bloated. thats hard enough once you've tapered anyway. Morning of more of the same, whatever you've eaten before runs that don't give you the runs.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 11:36 am to ks_nola
Thanks man, will likely take you up on that! Mental support/reassurance will be my biggest hurdle but getting a BQ on Hayward Field would pretty much be the pinnacle if I can pull it off!
Agree with you that the good thing is that the hills come early in the race and it looks like the grinding miles are net downhill. I've uploaded portions of the race on Google Earth on my treadmill, so will be practicing the whole race on the Treadmill eventually.
Agree with you that the good thing is that the hills come early in the race and it looks like the grinding miles are net downhill. I've uploaded portions of the race on Google Earth on my treadmill, so will be practicing the whole race on the Treadmill eventually.
Posted on 1/6/23 at 8:45 pm to TigeRoots
Man I’m just now starting to get back into running again. I took a good two weeks or so off with it band issue, and started incorporating those Jay Johnson SAM excercises, and right when I was ready to start back I got a case of the shingles ffs. I thought it was something only grandparent aged people got. 
so that set me back again. This is just my second week running again, and I feel like I’m having to start over. Sucks, because I was really starting to enjoy the longer distances I was running before the knee discomfort.
Not sure how much the SAM excercises are helping yet, but I’m able to run about 3.5 miles with just moderate discomfort, so they probably are a bit.
so that set me back again. This is just my second week running again, and I feel like I’m having to start over. Sucks, because I was really starting to enjoy the longer distances I was running before the knee discomfort. Not sure how much the SAM excercises are helping yet, but I’m able to run about 3.5 miles with just moderate discomfort, so they probably are a bit.
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