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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread

Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:26 pm to
Yeah that’d be ideal. Problem is I need to cross train too and with daylight savings weeknight runs are tough. Like I said, I play soccer twice a week, I may try to add one more day of running per week or just bump the volume of my weeknight runs. As for time off, I’m not technically taking time off bc I’m still playing soccer...just no long runs for at least a week. I still consider myself a novice runner and still feel like I’m acclimating my body to the mileage. My first race ever was just last April.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
78003 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:31 pm to
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Past injury issues?


Just some minor aches and pains. I injured my AC joints last summer. Running didn't cause the injury, but it kept me from running for a couple of weeks. Other than minor shin splints and piriformis syndrome, I haven't been injured since I started running in 2013. i haven;t had shin splints since my first year, and my pririformis issues went away after I started training with heavy weights a few years ago.

My biggest struggle has been in staying consistent from year to year. Like the poster I was just replying to, I used to take weeks off at a time in the past which in retrospect kept me from improving much over time. I would also begin training cycles and abandon them 1/2 to 3/4 of the way through when I ran into life issues that made it difficult for me hit all of my planned workouts.

I was running 60 miles a week back in 2016 when training for a marathon, so I knew I could handle a relatively high volume. I agree, however, that my cycle was too long for 5K. 12 weeks worked well for me in the past. This will be the first time going into a cycle with a really good base of fitness, so maybe 10 weeks would be better.

Something in that 19 to 20-minute range would be very satisfying and would be an indicator that I'm ready for a Boston Qualify attempt.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
78003 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:40 pm to
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Problem is I need to cross train too and with daylight savings weeknight runs are tough.


I know how that is. I moved my running from the evenings to the mornings this year, and that made a huge difference for me. It eliminates all of the things that can pop up during the day (family, work, home maintenance, etc.) and interfere with my running. Plus, if the weather is bad in the morning, I can usually still work in a run later in the day if it improves.

At the end of the day, you should do whatever you feel comfortable with and keeps you motivated. If you are young, you have a lot of time ahead to become more serious about your running if you desire. It sounds like soccer is maybe more important to you. I sometimes forget that some people have multiple sports that they participate in.
This post was edited on 12/10/19 at 1:43 pm
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
14222 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 1:58 pm to
Not necessarily more important, just enjoy playing. Thanks for the tips though. I’ve considered changing my running to the mornings, it’s doable but man I love lazy mornings. That said, feel like if I did switch to morning runs, I’d probably never go back. One of these days maybe.
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
16833 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 2:25 pm to
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If you want to improve your time, you will make the most gains by increasing your weekly volume. 25 miles pretty really low for a half marathon. If you ran 4-5 days per week instead of three and aimed for peak mileage of 40 (longest run of 13-15 miles) miles per week, you could realistically drop your time by 10-20 minutes.



40 miles a week seems like overkill for a half marathon to me. Sounds like a way to get burned out and overtrained. But I get that everyone is different.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
78003 posts
Posted on 12/10/19 at 2:48 pm to
I just find that the extra mileage helps prepare me for more intense workouts later in my training cycles and allows me to better maintain my aerobic base while adding in more intensity. For example, if I build more total mileage than I need during the first half of my cycle, I can switch from 4 easy/2 intensity days per week to 3 and 3 without losing aerobic fitness while sharpening up in the second half of my cycle. I believe 30-40 miles per week is pretty normal for semi competitive half marathon training, but I realize that everyone is different. Many elites do like 80-100.
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/11/19 at 9:29 am to
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I just find that the extra mileage helps prepare me for more intense workouts later in my training cycles and allows me to better maintain my aerobic base while adding in more intensity. For example, if I build more total mileage than I need during the first half of my cycle, I can switch from 4 easy/2 intensity days per week to 3 and 3 without losing aerobic fitness while sharpening up in the second half of my cycle. I believe 30-40 miles per week is pretty normal for semi competitive half marathon training, but I realize that everyone is different. Many elites do like 80-100.


I get it. Everyone is different. I'm no doubt in better shape and can run faster times when I'm doing 30-40 mile weeks. But I quickly get burned out doing that, so 12-16 weeks of that kind of high mileage is no bueno for me.

Here is my weekly mileage since October 10th, so the last 2 months:

11.3
24.7
21.3
11.3
25.3
17.5
5.0
14.4
21.1

That last week includes Saturday's half marathon. Still managed 1:36 and change while hungover af. I could put in 40 mile weeks and get that time down under 1:30, but I just don't care enough to invest that much time. And I'd get burned out after a few weeks anyway. That's pretty much why my weekly mileage is so low. I was putting in high mileage weeks all spring, and got burned out.
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
8556 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 10:43 am to
I like your approach and definitely agree; now of course considering what happened to me a couple months ago. I was banging out 35-40 mpw in the dead heat of the Summer, which to some here that is nothing.

I just feel like it burned me out and put my body under un necessary stress. Even though I was eating right and (trying) to get adequate sleep. While no white coat between here and Chicago directly related it to my Carotid artery dissecting and causing stroke(s), I gotta feel like it didn't help.

I'll take a more laid back approach at least for the near future and not be concerned with banging out intervals at the track (and may never be).
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
4040 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 12:49 pm to
How do y'all deal with runner's knee? I just got back into running and I guess I upped my intensity faster than my body liked, and my knees are killing me.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 1:32 pm to
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Here is my weekly mileage since October 10th, so the last 2 months:

11.3
24.7
21.3
11.3
25.3
17.5
5.0
14.4
21.1


My weekly mileage has dropped off significantly since mid-October. This week will be my first >10 mile week running in a month.

But I'm just a giant wuss in even mildly cold weather. I hate it.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
78003 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 2:40 pm to
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I was putting in high mileage weeks all spring, and got burned out.


I didn't know that. I just joined this thread a couple of months ago.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
78003 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 2:45 pm to
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But I'm just a giant wuss in even mildly cold weather. I hate it.


I used to be like that. I missed way too many days of running in Kansas with that attitude. I had to force myself out the door for a while, but now I don't mind it. I'll run sleet or snow and temps as low as 0 as long as it isn't really windy or icy. Winds over 15 mph just plain suck. I'll hit the trail if I can to avoid them. If not, I might force myself on the dreadmill for 6 miles or so. I once ran 18 miles on a treadmill when training for a marathon to avoid the 103 degree heat index. I don't think I could do that again.
This post was edited on 12/11/19 at 2:46 pm
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
78003 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 2:45 pm to
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How do y'all deal with runner's knee? I just got back into running and I guess I upped my intensity faster than my body liked, and my knees are killing me.


Where does it hurt?
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
4040 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 3:03 pm to
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Where does it hurt?


all around my knee cap
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
78003 posts
Posted on 12/11/19 at 5:03 pm to
Patellar tendonitis. I just got a mild case of it for the first time in my right knee. It seems to have gotten better after reducing my running volume for a few days. If it gets worse, you might have to ice and reat for a while. Strength training should help prevent getting it again after it improves.
Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
41252 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 10:10 am to
Do we have a thread or link to anyone talking about running watches? Garmin is the go to I know. What do y’all have and do you like it? I think I’m going to give one a shot. I don’t want anything overly fancy.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
78003 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 11:56 am to
I went from a cheap Timex w/ chest strap to a Garmin Foreunner 205 to a Garmin Vivoactive to a Garmin Forerunner 35.

Thanks to a post in here several weeks ago, I got my Forerunner 35 on sale for like 70 bucks. It is better than the 205 which was basically an older version of the 35. The charger is more durable, and this one has a wrist HR monitor. My chest strap can be connected to it if I want to use it, but the wrist monitor seems to be about as reliable as the strap. It has all of the basic features I use and none of the other things my vivoactive had that I didn't use for 1/4 of the cost.

Basically, the vivoactive has a touch screen and some extra smart capabilities that the forerunner 35 doesn't have. If you are looking for something cheap, durable and that allows you to easily track your pace, speed, distance, heart rate, cadence, and time, then the forerunner 35 is the watch for you. You can see basic data on the watch or more detailed data on Garmin Connect which your watch will automatically upload to when in range and connect via bluetooth. You can also program simple interval workouts, such as 4 X 400m with 1 minute rest intervals or 3 X 1 mile with 1/4 mile rest intervals. There is also a virtual pacer mode and run/walk mode that might be useful. I used the virtual pacer for my last 5K race, and it seemed to work pretty well. If I hadn't ignored it for the first mile, I would have been better off. It looks like there are still some available on Amazon for under 100 bucks if you are interested.

There are more expensive models of the Forerunner that allow you to program more complex workouts and send them to your watch, but those are like 300-500 bucks. I would like that feature, but it isn't worth hundreds more to me. I don't recommend the vivoactive unless you really want a touch screen and the ability to customize your watch face. It isn't worth it. After a year, my screen cracked somehow, which rendered the watch virtually useless.

Posted by quail man
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
41252 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 12:26 pm to
Awesome. This is perfectly what I want and need. Nothing fancy, just gets the job done. I was looking at the 45 and 35 and sounds like the 35 which is cheaper does everything I’d want.

Thanks so much
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
78003 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 12:28 pm to
No problem. I've been happy with mine since I got it a couple of months ago.
Posted by Rsande63
Spring,TX
Member since Jan 2016
587 posts
Posted on 12/13/19 at 12:30 pm to
Ortho today ->>

Below knee cast 3-4 weeks, non surgery

Transition to boot for 4 weeks


March - Aprilfor running & 100% , no nagging issues as long as I stay conservative.



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