re: Is it possible to look like these top fitness models w/o drugs?

What do most of them take though? I thought the majority of these drugs caused baldness and Seid, O'Hearn, Cook all have good heads of hair lol.

No you get bigger by being in a positive nitrogen state and progressively overloading the muscle. Now do I agree that after a few meso cycles and reloads of miofib hypertrophy based programming that it's good to throw in a meso cycle of sacroplasmic hypertrophy based programming(volume training) but in general no I do not agree with changing the routine to shock the muscle to break through plateaus abs neither do the top coaches and trainers in the world.

The muscle doesn't have a brain, it can't think nor be confused. It knows one thing, stress. If you put enough of it on the muscle causing tears it will heal itself and when doing so make itself larger to protect itself against that same stress next time. So we slowly up the weight or reps and continue this until we either plateau or we start having cns fatigue. At that point we deload or we remove weight from the bar. If it's the latter, we set rep records going back up to cause more stress than we did before at that weight. If it's a deload or cruise we lower the intensity for a while to facilitate recovery.

It's not a hard thing on paper, the problem is it's hard to stay consistent both diet and training wise as most of us live crazy busy life's.

Going bald on anabolics/androgens is purely hereditary. It's just speeds up the process.

Jeff Seid's was best friends with zyzz who admitted to not being a natural. As far as what they take, depends on the goals at the time.


As far as your comment about making a grocery list, I'll be more than happy to help you with your macros, but not gonna spoon feed with a grocery list. You will have to do the research on that yourself. Also you will need to count everything and log it.

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Protein, creatine and aminos pretty much. I mean there are others but food and these are going to be your best bets.

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Agreed, your diet and having a solid training plan with consistency and dedication will get you where you need to be. I'm up and down with my diet and routine due to a hectic life, and I'm no fitness expert by any means, but protein, creatine, and aminos have always been my go to. There arent any magic pills out there so its going to take hard work and consistency.

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Mike O'Hearn

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It's easy to think he's on something but he has been in that game for so damn long. Someone mentioned that his physic never changes much, so a natural status is pretty believable.

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Jeff Seid, Brad Martyn

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Are on things

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Matt Ogus, Steve Cook

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Ogus gets really lean for shows. When he's not in a contest prep, he looks like a normal guy. Steve cook just has the genes. Like someone said, he was a college football player. He is also one that has been doing this strictly for years.

So, yes, you can attain these things. But you have to realize there's a lot of sacrifice. There's little to no booze. There's no rice and gravy. These guys put in years of work to get their bodies sculpted. If there slip here and there, it's not a big deal. And they may only slip on a meal or 2 a week. Not a week or 2 at a time.

Actually Steve cook does flexible dieting. His mess up meals are part of his diet.

He was in a video with Layne Norton on the subject.

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Actually Steve cook does flexible dieting. His mess up meals are part of his diet.

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I meant more of a cheat meal that he doesn't track. Date night with his lady and he gets ice cream after. Something like that.

I agree, they are the guys that look the same year after year. Like Jason blaha's fat fricking fake arse.

I posted the numbers about what you can get to. I am pretty sure Jeff arid has juiced in the past like 99.99% as I have spoken with people that used to frick with the disco bbber crew him and zyzz hung out with, but he isn't far over his genetic potential. But he will never be anything more than what he is now due to the fricking partying and raving he does.

But the pictures you see of him are after glycogen depletion and loading and many are also photo shopped. Sure he looks great but the pictures of him just in normal everyday life and aren't photoshopped are not god like.

Somebody I think people should look at that is a realistic physique is the kinobody guy Greg Gallagher. Huge douche but I believe 100% he is natural and he doesn't spend hours in the gym. In fact no more than 4 or so a week. Same with Martin berkham who I am not 100% sure is still all natural but if has used it would have been during the recent bulk he did. Still a good physique to go after.

I don't know why anyone would want to look like that