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re: Is it possible to look like these top fitness models w/o drugs?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:49 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:49 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Yes difference is, that is their job
Which is exactly why most of them cheat.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:52 pm to jeff5891
What do most of them take though? I thought the majority of these drugs caused baldness and Seid, O'Hearn, Cook all have good heads of hair lol.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:52 pm to lsu777
I dunno. I'm about 11% at 197. If I lost all fat, that's 177 ish. I haven't even trained hard for over 5 years. I've been very sporadic. My absolute best body composition was in college doing DC training/Westside hybrid and eating about 3500 calories a day. I trained legs, deadlift, and bench hard along with heavy volume work. I was around 230lbs and lower or right at 15%. I stopped training and less eating and essentially have a metabolic damage from dieting too low. I should be eating around 2600 a day in a cut but I maintain at 2000. I'm going to try to find a pic of me at that size.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
No you get bigger by being in a positive nitrogen state and progressively overloading the muscle. Now do I agree that after a few meso cycles and reloads of miofib hypertrophy based programming that it's good to throw in a meso cycle of sacroplasmic hypertrophy based programming(volume training) but in general no I do not agree with changing the routine to shock the muscle to break through plateaus abs neither do the top coaches and trainers in the world.
The muscle doesn't have a brain, it can't think nor be confused. It knows one thing, stress. If you put enough of it on the muscle causing tears it will heal itself and when doing so make itself larger to protect itself against that same stress next time. So we slowly up the weight or reps and continue this until we either plateau or we start having cns fatigue. At that point we deload or we remove weight from the bar. If it's the latter, we set rep records going back up to cause more stress than we did before at that weight. If it's a deload or cruise we lower the intensity for a while to facilitate recovery.
It's not a hard thing on paper, the problem is it's hard to stay consistent both diet and training wise as most of us live crazy busy life's.
The muscle doesn't have a brain, it can't think nor be confused. It knows one thing, stress. If you put enough of it on the muscle causing tears it will heal itself and when doing so make itself larger to protect itself against that same stress next time. So we slowly up the weight or reps and continue this until we either plateau or we start having cns fatigue. At that point we deload or we remove weight from the bar. If it's the latter, we set rep records going back up to cause more stress than we did before at that weight. If it's a deload or cruise we lower the intensity for a while to facilitate recovery.
It's not a hard thing on paper, the problem is it's hard to stay consistent both diet and training wise as most of us live crazy busy life's.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:03 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
But at 5-6% you are going to lose some muscle, that's why the formula is based at that % as that's the easiest to be accurate with.
Also I said in general and there will be outliers. You are a mesomorph with good genes which tend to be the outliers. But the formula is damn close.
Also I said in general and there will be outliers. You are a mesomorph with good genes which tend to be the outliers. But the formula is damn close.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:07 pm to knowingabyss
Going bald on anabolics/androgens is purely hereditary. It's just speeds up the process.
Jeff Seid's was best friends with zyzz who admitted to not being a natural. As far as what they take, depends on the goals at the time.
As far as your comment about making a grocery list, I'll be more than happy to help you with your macros, but not gonna spoon feed with a grocery list. You will have to do the research on that yourself. Also you will need to count everything and log it.
Jeff Seid's was best friends with zyzz who admitted to not being a natural. As far as what they take, depends on the goals at the time.
As far as your comment about making a grocery list, I'll be more than happy to help you with your macros, but not gonna spoon feed with a grocery list. You will have to do the research on that yourself. Also you will need to count everything and log it.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:14 am to knowingabyss
Also understand that those shoots are often after a serious cut AND water cut, and shopped afterward.
I've done the super low BF% thing, and I'm convinced most "normal" guys are happiest between 10-12%. At that level, you can see plenty of definition but you also feel great.
I got down to 5-6% one summer and felt like arse and super weak. Pretty sure I gave myself adrenal fatigue or some version of it, too.
I've done the super low BF% thing, and I'm convinced most "normal" guys are happiest between 10-12%. At that level, you can see plenty of definition but you also feel great.
I got down to 5-6% one summer and felt like arse and super weak. Pretty sure I gave myself adrenal fatigue or some version of it, too.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 8:34 am to lsu777
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Protein, creatine and aminos pretty much. I mean there are others but food and these are going to be your best bets.
Agreed, your diet and having a solid training plan with consistency and dedication will get you where you need to be. I'm up and down with my diet and routine due to a hectic life, and I'm no fitness expert by any means, but protein, creatine, and aminos have always been my go to. There arent any magic pills out there so its going to take hard work and consistency.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:41 am to lsu777
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If you put enough of it on the muscle causing tears it will heal itself and when doing so make itself larger to protect itself against that same stress next time. So we slowly up the weight or reps and continue this until we either plateau or we start having cns fatigue. At that point we deload or we remove weight from the bar. If it's the latter, we set rep records going back up to cause more stress than we did before at that weight. If it's a deload or cruise we lower the intensity for a while to facilitate recovery.
This guy lifts
Posted on 7/20/17 at 9:57 am to knowingabyss
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Mike O'Hearn
It's easy to think he's on something but he has been in that game for so damn long. Someone mentioned that his physic never changes much, so a natural status is pretty believable.
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Jeff Seid, Brad Martyn
Are on things
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Matt Ogus, Steve Cook
Ogus gets really lean for shows. When he's not in a contest prep, he looks like a normal guy. Steve cook just has the genes. Like someone said, he was a college football player. He is also one that has been doing this strictly for years.
So, yes, you can attain these things. But you have to realize there's a lot of sacrifice. There's little to no booze. There's no rice and gravy. These guys put in years of work to get their bodies sculpted. If there slip here and there, it's not a big deal. And they may only slip on a meal or 2 a week. Not a week or 2 at a time.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:03 am to BlackPot
Actually Steve cook does flexible dieting. His mess up meals are part of his diet.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:08 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
You fellas really know your male fitness models.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 10:52 am to Gorilla Fingers
He was in a video with Layne Norton on the subject.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 11:40 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:05 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Actually Steve cook does flexible dieting. His mess up meals are part of his diet.
I meant more of a cheat meal that he doesn't track. Date night with his lady and he gets ice cream after. Something like that.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:08 pm to gizmoflak
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FYI these are worth a watch:
I'm sure he has valid points, but I hate those guys with channels that just want to disprove everyone. These guys are the ones that hop on gear and don't grow so they get mad. Or they are natural and stay in a deficit 365 days a year and don't grow.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:23 pm to BlackPot
I agree, they are the guys that look the same year after year. Like Jason blaha's fat fricking fake arse.
I posted the numbers about what you can get to. I am pretty sure Jeff arid has juiced in the past like 99.99% as I have spoken with people that used to frick with the disco bbber crew him and zyzz hung out with, but he isn't far over his genetic potential. But he will never be anything more than what he is now due to the fricking partying and raving he does.
But the pictures you see of him are after glycogen depletion and loading and many are also photo shopped. Sure he looks great but the pictures of him just in normal everyday life and aren't photoshopped are not god like.
Somebody I think people should look at that is a realistic physique is the kinobody guy Greg Gallagher. Huge douche but I believe 100% he is natural and he doesn't spend hours in the gym. In fact no more than 4 or so a week. Same with Martin berkham who I am not 100% sure is still all natural but if has used it would have been during the recent bulk he did. Still a good physique to go after.
I posted the numbers about what you can get to. I am pretty sure Jeff arid has juiced in the past like 99.99% as I have spoken with people that used to frick with the disco bbber crew him and zyzz hung out with, but he isn't far over his genetic potential. But he will never be anything more than what he is now due to the fricking partying and raving he does.
But the pictures you see of him are after glycogen depletion and loading and many are also photo shopped. Sure he looks great but the pictures of him just in normal everyday life and aren't photoshopped are not god like.
Somebody I think people should look at that is a realistic physique is the kinobody guy Greg Gallagher. Huge douche but I believe 100% he is natural and he doesn't spend hours in the gym. In fact no more than 4 or so a week. Same with Martin berkham who I am not 100% sure is still all natural but if has used it would have been during the recent bulk he did. Still a good physique to go after.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 2:30 pm to knowingabyss
It's a joke whenever these guys mention they're natural. Yes, they have great genetics but they still have to take hormones, fat-loss aids and diuretics to achieve that look. Truth is most of the population could take the same stuff, diet and training and still won't look close to them. They want you to believe they're natural so you'll buy the horseshite they're peddling.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 5:30 pm to knowingabyss
I don't know why anyone would want to look like that
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:16 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Mike ohearn is natural.
You must be joking. Mike O Tren has been on gear for decades
That's like saying Rich Piana is full natty
This post was edited on 7/20/17 at 6:19 pm
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