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How discipline are you? How do you develop that level of discipline?

Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:59 pm
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15077 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 8:59 pm
I've been lifting steadily for 2 years now. I never did get those crazy beginner gainz that most experience. A lot of that has to do with my diet I assume. Eating too little then eating way too much. Ton of food addiction tendencies.

I was eating extremely low carb and got down to 208 and my goal was 205. At that point I was discipline as it gets. Passing on all sweets. Never binging or any of that shite. Fast forward 6 months later and I'm up to 225 (sure some muscle) but my discipline is fricking gone.

I guess going so low carb really fricked up my relationship with food and I can't seem to control myself anymore. The only thing I can think to do is go back to no carb, but even when I try to I find myself giving into temptations and it's frustrating as frick.

Someone help a baw get back on track and get these shredz going.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:23 pm to
6 months ago I was about 35 lbs heavier than I am now and pretty fat. I went to the doctor because of bad family history and they said my cholesterol wasn't that bad yet, but a concern. I said screw this, and dropped like 15 lbs the first month and now I'm back down to what I weighed in high school. I go to the gym religiously and eat a really clean diet. If I decide I want a burger or pizza or something its planned and never gets out of control. I understand how people say food is addictive and all that, but just like anything is that is addictive, you aren't going to quit until you want to. That was my biggest issue, I'd say man I need to lose a few pounds and wouldn't do shite about it. Then I got my act together and decided to actually put forth some effort and the weight melted off.
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:30 pm to
Plan every meal and snack. Do not deviate from your plan. If there's something unexpected that may cause you to be without a meal then determine what you can eat ahead of time; that is, where you can grab a quick meal that's healthy.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15077 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:35 pm to
It pisses me off everyday, because I've done it before. I was feeling as good at it gets and I want nothing more to get back to that feeling, but then all of sudden I catch myself with a spoon in the peanut butter.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:59 pm to
Well you have two chooses, go back to no carb and break the sugar addiction. But this is going to further hurt your ability to have a good relationship with food. Will have to really strict Keto for 30 days or so. Something like whole 30 without the fruit and sweet potatoes or something like the get shredded diet.

The better plan would be an if it fits your macros approach using avatar. This will allow you to have some of the foods you enjoy and understand there are no bad foods or good foods, only too much or too little.

Either way, you will be better than you are now.
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 6:00 am to
^^^^

This.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15077 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 6:40 am to
I would sign up for Avatar, but knowing my level of discipline thus far I would stay strict for a week and a half then ruin it by going out to dinner one night then never using it again for a month. Wasting $9.

I'm starting a little fasted cardio again. I think doing that every morning is what helped me keep my focus on dieting. Just mentally knowing I started working towards my goal first thing in the morning kind of helped me stay focused the rest of the day.


ETA: What should my goal be on Avatar? Reverse dieting? Fat loss?
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 6:46 am
Posted by LSUlefty
Youngsville, LA
Member since Dec 2007
28524 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 6:47 am to
quote:

Plan every meal


This. Even if you want to cheat, plan a cheat day.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 6:54 am to
That's the beauty of avatar. That dinner is fine, just have to adjust the rest of the week. Hulk has a good spread sheet he uses to track weekly calories and macros, and you can do it in mfp.

I would suggest slow fat loss with higher protein.
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
5413 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 7:51 am to
quote:

I catch myself with a spoon in the peanut butter.


Is this a no no? I have to be honest, I am currently cutting and I do this once a day to satisfy the sweet tooth.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15077 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Is this a no no?



For me yes. I don't track how much I'm eating. So when a serving is 2 tablespoons (~170 calories) and I'm mindlessly eating the stuff, the calories can add up pretty quick.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 8:34 am to
quote:

Plan every meal and snack.


Yeah if you can't control yourself the easy way to go is to meal prep. Making a week worth of food on your day off and be done with it. No thinking, just doing
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69194 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 8:57 am to
Don't go to the grocery store when you're hungry for starters...
Posted by BlackPot
Member since Oct 2016
2681 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:33 am to
quote:

How discipline are you?


I'm pretty disciplined. I know where I want to be and I know what I have to do to get there.

quote:

How do you develop that level of discipline?


With food, what helped me is tracking calories. I was able to eat normal foods but just stay within my means. I go really lean then i slowly added calories back in. I was able to eat a little ice cream here and there and not feel so guilty because it "fit". Been doing it steadily for about 4 years now.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 11:49 am to
quote:

I would sign up for Avatar, but knowing my level of discipline thus far I would stay strict for a week and a half then ruin it by going out to dinner one night then never using it again for a month. Wasting $9.


Nah man. Avatar. It is game changing. It sounds counter-intuitive but less restriction can mean better adherence long-term. And that's what we're really after.. long term adherence and progress.

Realistically, if your goal is weight loss you should start out on the conservative weight loss. If you have trouble being consistent or staying compliant, you probably need to reverse. Avatar will tell you when your cals are too low and need to reverse, also.

And remember.. Trust the system. Sometimes you'll feel like you want to rush it or change your goals.. Don't. You need to stick to each goal for at least 2-3 weeks, but the longer the better. The more consistent you are, the better the system can tailor itself to you.

Seriously, give it a real shot. I'm on a reverse diet, and my daily intake up to 2433 cals/day and my weight is staying steady as long as I'm complaint. Hell, if I am compliant I tend to still lose. I also haven't been working out since I fractured a rib and I haven't put any weight on still. This reverse means I finally have some wiggle room with my diet; if I don't blow out my macros that means I can have a serving of edy's slow churned or a beer and stay right on track. It means I can eat out with coworkers at lunch and not blow out my macros (assuming I plan for it, or choose the right option) It's not cheating.. there's no morality attached to the food. Most of all, I'm not fricking hungry 24/7 like I was before.

eta

If you do sign up for Avatar.. read all of the newbie articles!!!! People don't do this and it drives me nuts b/c there are questions that are asked time and time again in the FB group that are answered in those articles.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 11:54 am
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15077 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:32 pm to
I ended up signing up.

Calories: 2135
Protein: 205g
Fat: 71g
Carbs: 169g


Those were the macros given to me. I put my activity level at 0 per day to play it safe.

Now when I'm down 2-3 pounds next week it will adjust my calories correct?
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38079 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 12:51 pm to
correct. and you can play with the macros if you want. goto settings and you can select the high protein option. you can also do high days and low days. can also do higher carbs/less fat or less carbs/more fat.

Hulk can you post your spreadsheet that you use to track weekly calories?

Lazy, put those macros into my fitness pal. if you want to do low carbs on non lifting days, you can use your total weekly macros to see if you were compliant or not. Weekly is what matters, not daily. if you hit the macro parameters and total calories for the week, you are considered compliant.

you can do low carb days/high fat days or vice versa. but the main thing is consistancy. Like hulk said, the more consistant you are the better the logarithm will learn your body and adjust for those specific tendancies.

Avatar really is a thing of beauty for taking the guess work out of macros. I mean so long as your getting your fiber intake, who cares if your carbs come from cheese cake vs brown rice? for weight loss/ body comp the difference in eating clean vs being consistant on a iifym plan makes only about a 5% difference. Well if you are satisfied you can make up that 5% by just staying on a week longer. Better than feeling guilty for eating bad.

now if you had health problems that would be different, but for body composistion, might as well enjoy the progress.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:30 pm to
quote:

Hulk can you post your spreadsheet that you use to track weekly calories?



Make your own copy and then clear contents, don't try to modify mine
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
15077 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 1:49 pm to
Done.

Hulk, this spread sheet is great. Thanks man.


Also I don't see a higher protein option. Where is that located hulk? I scanned through the account setup...Activity level, body type, goals, diet, personal info... etc

ETA: Nvm it was under advanced features.
This post was edited on 8/1/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 8/1/17 at 2:12 pm to
All of the data can be a bit tedious to enter, but the long-term data is awesome
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