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Help me optimize my split please.

Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:37 pm
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:37 pm
For the last few months I've been PPL and really like it. I'm between 70-90 minutes and don't really want to go any shorter. I go at lunch and the alternative is going back to sit at my desk.

The problem I have is I only go on weekdays so its:

PPLPP weekend LPPLP weekend and so on. The times I have a second day in the same week I'm a good bit weaker. I especially notice it on chest.

I'm making solid progress though and track my workouts and have steady increased weight going to failure.

Would I be better off switching to something like
Legs, Chest, Back, Shoulders, Arms
and give myself more rest so I'm at full strength for the workout?

Really only concerned with how it would affect me hypertrophy wise.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31408 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 12:51 pm to
hypertrophy wise, assuming aethetics is goal, so mainly upper body would be better like you have it

i would focus it somewhat like this

push- chest & tri focus, shoulder secondary
pull- horizontal and bicep focus. DL variation
legs- squat, 1 unilateral and calf focus
push- shoulder and tri focus, chest secondary
push- deadlift and vertical pull/bicep focus

or something similar. just focus on getting really strong in incline db bench, weighted dips, close grip bench, weighted chins, chest supported rows, squats and sitting DB press and you wont have to worry about order and all the other BS. just focus on adding strength.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35376 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:09 pm to
I like it. I was worried only hitting everything once a week would be too little volume. I've been making good progress so don't want to take a step back.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31408 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:10 pm to
if you are making strength gains, eating in a caloric surplus with plenty of protein then you are getting plenty of volume for hypertrophy
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:22 pm to
How tall are you bruh?
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35376 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:57 pm to
5’11

6’2 in heels.
Posted by DrDenim
By the airport
Member since Sep 2022
514 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 5:00 pm to
Ughh, don't wear heels, you'll shorten yer Achille's tendon and yer deadlift will suck arse!
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162258 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:00 pm to
quote:

The problem I have is I only go on weekdays so its:

PPLPP weekend LPPLP weekend and so on. The times I have a second day in the same week I'm a good bit weaker. I especially notice it on chest.


Might be better to make Wednesday and Sunday your rest days

5 days in a row is probably what is making you weaker the second time to work a muscle in a week

Don't know if that works for your schedule or lifestyle but I find scheduling one of the lifting days on a weekend helps me manage rest
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35376 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 6:45 am to
I know that’s ideal I just can’t be consistent on Saturdays. Well I could but the old lady would probably not like it.

Maybe when the kids are a little more grown.
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
2241 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:03 am to
In my mid-40s and mostly use a 4-day 531 schedule but no matter what plan I use I found I have diminishing returns on my workouts after lifting more than 3 days in a row. I know everyone is different, but this wasn't an issue when I was younger. You don't need to take a true rest day, if I have a week where my schedule only allows me 4 straight days to get it in, I will double up on day 2, then program a mobility day with very light lifting and a maybe a long row on day 3, then finish up day 4 with my normal planned workout.

If I try to power through by Day 4, no matter what main lift or bodypart I'm focusing on, I'm not as strong and worse, less focused. I also find this approach keeps me healthier, I haven't hurt or tweaked anything during workouts in a long time. That might also be a focus on better form and mobility, but it all adds up.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31408 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:55 pm to
Yep, I would prefer to lift 4 days a week for sure over 5.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
36195 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:53 pm to
M chest, hit a great tricep superset at the end
Tu lats/traps
W legs/glutes
Th shoulders (35-45 min workout)
Fri bi’s/tri’s

I’ve been on this split for about a year and I’m sore each and every time. Have had great growth. Hour a day. 4-5 exercises, 4-5 sets each, 15-18 reps each set.

*hypertrophy is my goal
This post was edited on 1/27/24 at 12:15 pm
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
103146 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 3:58 pm to
You must be taking some long arse rest periods between sets.
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
36195 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 4:20 pm to
I edited. I rest 0:45-3:00 depending.
Mostly 0:45-1:00 but I’ll sometimes do heavier weight (2-5 reps) last set and rest 3:00 before.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 4:21 pm
Posted by ThreauxDown
Member since Jan 2019
648 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:22 am to
I did this split for a while and really enjoyed the periodization aspect. Kept my workouts from feeling repetitive

Monday: Upper body, Strength/Power Based
Tuesday: Lower Body, Strength/Power Based
Wednesday: Push (Chest, Tris, Font/Side delts) Hypertrophy
Thursday: Pull (Back, Bis, Rear Delts) Hypertrophy
Friday: Legs Hypertrophy
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