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re: Getting in shape when you’re 51 and in your worst shape ever?
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 6/10/24 at 8:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
Yea I wouldn’t recommend glp1 for someone like 25-35 but man, dude is 51. Not 3 bills but close as he said…dude could drop dead at any moment.
He doesn’t need small steps he needs the holy frick I got to change my life starting today kick in the arse
He doesn’t need small steps he needs the holy frick I got to change my life starting today kick in the arse
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 4:26 am to LSU alum wannabe
Just be lazy and take ozempic like a ton of fatties are doing now
Posted on 6/11/24 at 6:17 am to lsu777
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Yea I wouldn’t recommend glp1 for someone like 25-35 but man, dude is 51. Not 3 bills but close as he said…dude could drop dead at any moment.
Maybe it’s just me, but an injectable chemical intervention would be a final resort. Let’s try the lifestyle stuff first: diet, exercise, weights.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:57 am to Gifman
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Just be lazy and take ozempic like a ton of fatties are doing now
its not lazy, most that are obese are lacking production of glp1, it not much different than trt imo
Posted on 6/11/24 at 7:59 am to Aubie Spr96
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Maybe it’s just me, but an injectable chemical intervention would be a final resort. Let’s try the lifestyle stuff first: diet, exercise, weights.
normally would agree, and do agree he needs to focus on diet prioritizing protein, some type of resistance training and lots of walking to start, but dude is 51 and by own admission close to 51, if it was easy for him, he wouldnt have let himself get like that. At that age imo is very important to make huge change immediately and the GLP1 will help with that and maintaining that
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:06 am to lsu777
I'll be 51 next year. I might be in the best shape of my life, certainly cardiovascularly I am. I run with multiple people that are in their 60's that are in amazing shape. It can be done, but it's harder and you have to want it more.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:18 am to Aubie Spr96
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I'll be 51 next year. I might be in the best shape of my life, certainly cardiovascularly I am. I run with multiple people that are in their 60's that are in amazing shape. It can be done, but it's harder and you have to want it more.
100%, im in my 40s and in same situation but its really hard to start at 51, especially when starting close to 3 bills and no background on this
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:23 am to lsu777
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when starting close to 3 bills
I'm actually kinda jealous of people that start off in this bad of shape. The gains/losses they can make so easily are frustrating to me. It take A LOT of works for me to make any gains at this point.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:30 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:Thats awesome. I’m 40 in September and I’ll be in the best shape of my adulthood.
I'll be 51 next year. I might be in the best shape of my life, certainly cardiovascularly I am
Posted on 6/11/24 at 8:44 am to Aubie Spr96
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I'm actually kinda jealous of people that start off in this bad of shape. The gains/losses they can make so easily are frustrating to me. It take A LOT of works for me to make any gains at this point
its like when people first start lifting and they say...oh i want to take it nice and slow....im like dude, better enjoy those novice gains and enjoy the ride cause it gets HARD AF after that
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:00 am to lsu777
I’m in this stage right now. And it sucks lol. But I’m the past year the gym has become a lifestyle thing. I couldn’t imagine not going.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:11 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Sitting here with another gout flare.
I'm not preaching, but you have to get your intake right. You don't have to starve yourself, but you have to eat right if this is a problem. It will hold you back, otherwise, no matter what you do.
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Irregular heartbeat controlled with meds. Aortic valve issues.
Get a nod from your doctor before you go crazy.
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Trying to start with yoga and walking.
I would try everything - swim, cycle, elliptical, pilates, maybe not running quite yet, but about everything else. You definitely need some strength training. Go slow - you have the rest of your life - but a little more every workout and you get there eventually.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 9:48 am to Aubie Spr96
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Maybe it’s just me, but an injectable chemical intervention would be a final resort. Let’s try the lifestyle stuff first: diet, exercise, weights.
also to further this...for those against the use of GLP-1 would you also tell someone with high BP or high cholesterol not to take BP medicine or a statin? and only focus on diet and exercise? especially if they are morbidly obese and in their 50s?
if so your stance is not common sense. its simply a stance rooted in this dogma that doing it without the medicine is some how more rewarding, morally better, healthier than using the medicine in conjuction with diet and overall exercise plan.
You may not realize it but it is this belief than one way is morally superior to the other. That using any form of chemical intervention is some how cheating....but the question comes....cheating who? The only competition the OP has, is himself
we see this all the time with steroids and the claim its cheating and now that same type of dogma is attached to glp1......so i ask the question....who the frick is it cheating?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 10:29 am to Aubie Spr96
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I'm actually kinda jealous of people that start off in this bad of shape. The gains/losses they can make so easily are frustrating to me. It take A LOT of works for me to make any gains at this point.
It’s not fair how they can go from 6 cokes a day to 5 and lose 30 lbs in a month
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:19 am to lsu777
My suggestion is to ALWAYS try diet and exercise first. While the GLP-1 will certainly reduce weight, it is not increasing strength and it certainly isn't increasing VO2 both of which have direct correlations to longevity and overall wellbeing.
Nope. The physical activity route is better in general for a number of reasons.
Nope. But I also don't believe in a free lunch. There are downsides that are known to this intervention and I suspect there will be more as a large portion of the population is now trying this. To my knowledge, there are no downsides to diet and exercise.
Everything has a cost. Injecting yourself with chemicals comes with benefits. It also comes with costs. With this in mind, I'd always try to accomplish these goals without medication.
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You may not realize it but it is this belief than one way is morally superior to the other.
Nope. The physical activity route is better in general for a number of reasons.
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That using any form of chemical intervention is some how cheating.
Nope. But I also don't believe in a free lunch. There are downsides that are known to this intervention and I suspect there will be more as a large portion of the population is now trying this. To my knowledge, there are no downsides to diet and exercise.
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who the frick is it cheating?
Everything has a cost. Injecting yourself with chemicals comes with benefits. It also comes with costs. With this in mind, I'd always try to accomplish these goals without medication.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:32 am to Aubie Spr96
These arguments get wild. Someone in there 50's at 3 bills doesn't have time to "do it right". It's too late. 300 lbs in your 40s was the wake up call. 50s needs to use whatever tools are available. Simple as that. Get the weight down, start exercising, eating right, then 6 months or next year get off the meds and "do it right."
Posted on 6/11/24 at 12:18 pm to Aubie Spr96
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My suggestion is to ALWAYS try diet and exercise first. While the GLP-1 will certainly reduce weight, it is not increasing strength and it certainly isn't increasing VO2 both of which have direct correlations to longevity and overall wellbeing.
umm glp1 specifically leads to improvements in health markers that have direct correlation to longevity and overall well being
and have you ever seen me say use glp1 and dont lift or track protein? i rail against that all the time
also last thing someone that is 300 bills needs to be doing is worrying about VO2 max
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Nope. The physical activity route is better in general for a number of reasons.
nobody suggested dont do exercise or diet
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Nope. But I also don't believe in a free lunch. There are downsides that are known to this intervention and I suspect there will be more as a large portion of the population is now trying this. To my knowledge, there are no downsides to diet and exercise.
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Nope. But I also don't believe in a free lunch. There are downsides that are known to this intervention and I suspect there will be more as a large portion of the population is now trying this. To my knowledge, there are no downsides to diet and exercise.
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Everything has a cost. Injecting yourself with chemicals comes with benefits. It also comes with costs. With this in mind, I'd always try to accomplish these goals without medication.
you can have your "feelings" all you want but we have almost 2 decades of data on these glp and have been studying them for 4 decades now. just because you have just learned about it and dotn know the science doesnt mean there will "a cost"
the cost of glp1 is the literal cost and some nausea in 99.5% of cases.
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I'd always try to accomplish these goals without medication.
cool, ole boy is 51....do you think he hasnt tried that before? im sure he has tried it many times....now he is in prime age for heart attacks and close to 3 bills but you want him to try something again that he has failed to do the last 3 decades of his life?
whats the definition of insanity?
i would love for him to be able to completely flip his life upside down and change his whole lifestyle. but being close to 3 bills at 51 proves he isnt capable of that kind of mentality and that instead of saying....you must do it the old fashion way, same way that he has failed to do for decades now, we should i dunno.......maybe give him a little help from a drug that happens to have no real serious side effects and offers tons of health benefits and will help him lose the weight in the first place.
and explain how replacing glp1 in the body is any different than replacing testosterone please?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:13 pm to lsu777
I agree with you on some parts. This is antecdal on my part, but I know 8 people that are openly on Ozympic or Wegovy. Based on the looks of each, 2 actually needed it. The other 6 could have successfully looked "fit" by just a few weeks of diet and exercise. What's funny though is the 2 are the only ones that are strength training.
It's easy to say to take GLP1 but you have to strength train but you have to think of the type of people who are taking it in the first place. Good luck getting them to be consistent.
I do agree that after a certain weight threshold, you gotta do what you gotta do.
It's easy to say to take GLP1 but you have to strength train but you have to think of the type of people who are taking it in the first place. Good luck getting them to be consistent.
I do agree that after a certain weight threshold, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:22 pm to lsu777
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and explain how replacing glp1 in the body is any different than replacing testosterone please?
Without knowing the details of the science, my first thought is that GLP-1's alter your gut balance which IMO can't be good for you. Testosterone replacement is supplementing a chemical that your body produces naturally. Testerosterone actively helps to retain muscle while GLP-1 does the opposite.
If I'm not mistaken we only have 4 years worth of knowledge and history of GLP'1 long term SE. That just doesn't seem like long enough to be advertising and selling to anybody and everybody that wants to be thin. Testosterone supplementation has been around for a long long time and has no real side effects other than if you are using it excessively outside of medical oversight.
Again, not a doctor and am probably wrong on this outlook so please school me where needed.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:33 pm to Rendlo
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Without knowing the details of the science, my first thought is that GLP-1's alter your gut balance which IMO can't be good for you
so we produce GLP naturally, those that are morbidly obese tend to produce less. what we dont know is that because they are morbidly obese and they have over ridden the signal so long the body stopped producing as much....or is that why they ate more to begin with
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Testosterone replacement is supplementing a chemical that your body produces naturally.
glp is a peptide. peptides just help the body produce more of something that is naturally occurring as ghrp/ghrh type or they supplement when the body isnt producing any more, as is the case with both glp and TRT.
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Testerosterone actively helps to retain muscle while GLP-1 does the opposite.
so despite what observations people tend to make, glp1 is actually anti-catobolic. not as much as testosterone but it actually helps preserve muscle. problem is it isnt strong enough to preserve it in a severe caloric deficit that doesnt include ample protein and resistance training.
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If I'm not mistaken we only have 4 years worth of knowledge and history of GLP'1 long term SE
started being studied in 1981 and came to market in 2005 so almost 2 decades. its only been used for weight loss in last half decade. before that fat loss was just a side effect for those taking it for type 2
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That just doesn't seem like long enough to be advertising and selling to anybody and everybody that wants to be thin. Testosterone supplementation has been around for a long long time and has no real side effects other than if you are using it excessively outside of medical oversight.
neither dose glp, at least serious except in a very very small % of people
and your outlook is what most people have. actually you are more educated then most on it.
i have posted all the science on here before and linked all the studies on what is happening on a hormonal level.
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