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Fat Loss Marathon Training Program
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:30 am
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:30 am
It is what it says on the title.
Looking to lose fat, get abs, maintain/increase muscle/strength, and run a marathon next year. Is this a decent program to run alongside dieting/fasting? My main worry is it isnt enough volume on the lifting. I currently have intermediate lifts, and bodyfat 22-26% I'd estimate.
I can train 3x1hr a week, on Tues,Thurs, Saturday, plus maybe an optional Sunday run.
Program:
Workout A:
531 Squat
531 Bench
Run
Workout B:
531 Deads
531 Press
Run
I would do pullups between sets. All the running is working up towards a marathon run next year somewhen.
Edit - I've been using GSLP and RPT up to this point.
Looking to lose fat, get abs, maintain/increase muscle/strength, and run a marathon next year. Is this a decent program to run alongside dieting/fasting? My main worry is it isnt enough volume on the lifting. I currently have intermediate lifts, and bodyfat 22-26% I'd estimate.
I can train 3x1hr a week, on Tues,Thurs, Saturday, plus maybe an optional Sunday run.
Program:
Workout A:
531 Squat
531 Bench
Run
Workout B:
531 Deads
531 Press
Run
I would do pullups between sets. All the running is working up towards a marathon run next year somewhen.
Edit - I've been using GSLP and RPT up to this point.
This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 11:31 am
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:35 am to numptythrubbers
quote:
Looking to lose fat, get abs, maintain/increase muscle/strength, and run a marathon next year.
You can't do this is 3 hours a week.
You want to meet lofty goals, but you don't want to put the time and effort in to do it. Thats fine, everyone has their priorities, but you cant expect success in anything if you aren't willing to put in the work
This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 11:36 am
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:40 am to numptythrubbers
Maybe set your goal at a 10k or half marathon with that volume.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 11:41 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Ok. The first goals are diet related. The strength goals Im hoping are attainable from the 531 base program done on an A/B rotation. But the marathon training Im not sure on.
Maybe it cant be done then. Thanks
Maybe it cant be done then. Thanks
Posted on 6/22/20 at 5:26 am to numptythrubbers
I would keep your training times there as dedicated to the gym, and add some early AM runs to complete your marathon training but just be warned: a full marathon will require you to dedicate probably 30-50 min of running most days.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 6:43 am to TigerInCbus
Ah ok thank you for the answer. I hadnt looked too much into marathon training at this point so a bit unaware on its programming, so thanks.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:41 am to numptythrubbers
Frankly it depends on you. I use the Nike Run Club app and it generates a plan based on your current limitations (physical and time); I would recommend you check that out to baseline the time you need to put in for the marathon training. Feel free to ask any questions, good luck!
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:42 am to numptythrubbers
Kinda long response from my experience with lifting and seriously training for distance at the same time...
Two things no matter what... 1) finding a meal plan/diet that works for you will play a huge, if not biggest role in losing fat and increasing strength, and 2) your approach will definitely involve some trade offs, you won't get huge and/or have the strength gains you would focusing intensely on lifting, and you definitely won't have the speed, endurance, distance progressions you would focusing on running. One more point, this type of approach could result in more injuries if you aren't taking care of your body (would consider adding a short morning or evening mobility/stretching routine to do at home several times a week). That said, this could work...
Assuming each workout is 30 mins lifting/30 minutes running, IF done right the lifting part is fine. But with 30 mins instead of pull-ups between sets I would limit rest between sets to 1.5 to 2 mins max which should leave time at the end for a couple giant sets of accessory exercises. For those I would mix it up between a bunch of exercise including pull-ups, dips, carries, lunges, leg raises, presses, etc. Then knock out your planned run immediately after. Will take a lot of discipline but can be done, and you will burn a lot of calories.
Now for the running...if you ever want to do a marathon that Sunday run won't be optional, and it will be a LONG run. You will need to add at least one more run day as well once you get into training. Beyond that, you need to target when you want to your marathon and find a good run program.
My advice, I would aim for a 5K in 3 months which should be easy for you, then a 10K in 6 months to see how it fits with your training, then decide on how you feel about going up in distance.
You can be very successful and hit your goals if you do this right, but its a big jump from being strong and fit and running a nice 5K/10K to being strong and fit and running a nice marathon.
Two things no matter what... 1) finding a meal plan/diet that works for you will play a huge, if not biggest role in losing fat and increasing strength, and 2) your approach will definitely involve some trade offs, you won't get huge and/or have the strength gains you would focusing intensely on lifting, and you definitely won't have the speed, endurance, distance progressions you would focusing on running. One more point, this type of approach could result in more injuries if you aren't taking care of your body (would consider adding a short morning or evening mobility/stretching routine to do at home several times a week). That said, this could work...
Assuming each workout is 30 mins lifting/30 minutes running, IF done right the lifting part is fine. But with 30 mins instead of pull-ups between sets I would limit rest between sets to 1.5 to 2 mins max which should leave time at the end for a couple giant sets of accessory exercises. For those I would mix it up between a bunch of exercise including pull-ups, dips, carries, lunges, leg raises, presses, etc. Then knock out your planned run immediately after. Will take a lot of discipline but can be done, and you will burn a lot of calories.
Now for the running...if you ever want to do a marathon that Sunday run won't be optional, and it will be a LONG run. You will need to add at least one more run day as well once you get into training. Beyond that, you need to target when you want to your marathon and find a good run program.
My advice, I would aim for a 5K in 3 months which should be easy for you, then a 10K in 6 months to see how it fits with your training, then decide on how you feel about going up in distance.
You can be very successful and hit your goals if you do this right, but its a big jump from being strong and fit and running a nice 5K/10K to being strong and fit and running a nice marathon.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:46 am to NOLALGD
quote:
NOLALGD
Good post, but you've almost doubled the amount of time the OP said he had tome to train. Thats the problem, I think theres several posters that could provide him with solid advice, but all of them are going to require much more than 3 hours a week.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 1:29 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
OP (numptythrubbers), do you have a time goal in mind for completing a marathon? If you're just looking to complete the race you could probably do it with the schedule you posted, just not with a fast time.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 1:38 pm to numptythrubbers
You're gonna have to run more than 3 hours a week to build up to a marathon. At least after a month or so.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 11:19 pm to OysterPoBoy
Wow thank you for all the responses, I think NOLALGD has given me the most hope with this sort of program. That and a couple of other posts.
Right now Ive been working through C25K, and not really struggling, so I think a 5k is attainable at any point now. My next goal would be to get to a 10k and maybe this is the best strategy for moving forward - let the programming evolve a bit as the distances creep up.
If I need more runs then I'll add them, if I need longer Sunday runs then I'll do that.
The marathon is a goal for reasons other than general fitness, but it just happens to coincide with me looking to shed sone fat at the moment, so we'll see how those two goals work together.
I havent yet signed up to a race (COVID) and since I've never ran one I have no times to shoot for, I just want to finish it!! I know others who have run them far less fit than me so I know it's attainable.
Thank you again for the responses.
In summary, the plan I outlined will work for getting lower bodyfat/achieving a marathon, as long as Im aware I'll be unlikely to increase strength/muscle, and I will need longer runs at some point? But I should be able to at least hold onto my current strength levels? Thanks
Right now Ive been working through C25K, and not really struggling, so I think a 5k is attainable at any point now. My next goal would be to get to a 10k and maybe this is the best strategy for moving forward - let the programming evolve a bit as the distances creep up.
If I need more runs then I'll add them, if I need longer Sunday runs then I'll do that.
The marathon is a goal for reasons other than general fitness, but it just happens to coincide with me looking to shed sone fat at the moment, so we'll see how those two goals work together.
I havent yet signed up to a race (COVID) and since I've never ran one I have no times to shoot for, I just want to finish it!! I know others who have run them far less fit than me so I know it's attainable.
Thank you again for the responses.
In summary, the plan I outlined will work for getting lower bodyfat/achieving a marathon, as long as Im aware I'll be unlikely to increase strength/muscle, and I will need longer runs at some point? But I should be able to at least hold onto my current strength levels? Thanks
Posted on 6/23/20 at 8:30 am to numptythrubbers
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:26 pm to numptythrubbers
Honestly it's not enough time but if you are going to only have that amount of time....
Do giant sets like Brian alshure says and do burpees or sprints as the conditioning
Main lift
Antagonist Lift
Core
Sprints or burpees
60s rest
Repeat for 5-8 sets
Aux lift
Antagonist aux Lift
Core
Sprints or burpees- opposite of first Giant set
Rest 30-45s
Repeat for 3-8 sets
Go run a mile or two as fast as possible if you have time left.
To be honest though 3 hours a week is not enough to even do marathon training. Much less lift and train for a marathon.
Do giant sets like Brian alshure says and do burpees or sprints as the conditioning
Main lift
Antagonist Lift
Core
Sprints or burpees
60s rest
Repeat for 5-8 sets
Aux lift
Antagonist aux Lift
Core
Sprints or burpees- opposite of first Giant set
Rest 30-45s
Repeat for 3-8 sets
Go run a mile or two as fast as possible if you have time left.
To be honest though 3 hours a week is not enough to even do marathon training. Much less lift and train for a marathon.
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