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Effects of keto style diet and cholesterol

Posted on 12/27/18 at 8:14 pm
Posted by terd ferguson
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Posted on 12/27/18 at 8:14 pm
Would a keto style diet or something like the steak and eggs diet cause issues for someone with high cholesterol?
Posted by FatMan
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2079 posts
Posted on 12/27/18 at 8:22 pm to
Dave Feldman
YouTube or Google him, he's a cholesterol hacker.
Also, what are your main concerns with cholesterol?
Posted by terd ferguson
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 12/27/18 at 8:36 pm to
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Also, what are your main concerns with cholesterol?



High LDL and if eating 40+ eggs a week will make it higher.
Posted by LSUTiger1026
Member since Sep 2017
146 posts
Posted on 12/27/18 at 8:56 pm to
It depends. You really have to try it and see what happens to your body type. There are a certain segment of people that respond to Keto/HFLC with a large increase in LDLC. For the most part, LDL will stay level, slightly increase (immaterial) or decrease (if already abnormally high), HDL will increase materially (if coming from the standard American diet) and triglycerides will plummet. If you stick with it, your triglycerides to HDL will be <1x. If you are interested go ahead and try the Keto thing, unless you fall into that subset of people, your labs will likely improve.
Posted by FatMan
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2079 posts
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:01 pm to
Common misconception:
1) Dietary cholesterol doesn't effect blood cholesterol levels, at least not in the way you think.
2) LDL is a carrier, not actually cholesterol. You need to get a particle size test vs worrying about LDL.
3) High LDL is not as dangerous as low HDL and high trigs. HDL to Triglyceride ratio is one of the best indicators of risk for CVD. To answer your original question, keto does a great job of raising HDL and lowering trigs- you may be a hyper-responder to dietary fat and your LDL and total cholesterol may go sky high, but the fact your HDL and Trigs are in check, you are more than likely fine.
If you are 40 and really want to see your CVD/MI risk, invest $100 and get your coronary calcium score. They do it in BR, but I know for sure St. E does them in Gonzalez.
Posted by FatMan
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2079 posts
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:03 pm to
We said the same thing, great post ;)
I was typing a novel while you posted...
Posted by LSUTiger1026
Member since Sep 2017
146 posts
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:12 pm to
Nahhh, you covered more bases. I didn’t tell him that LDL alone wasn’t as great of an indicator for risk as we have been led to believe. For more information, OP, go ahead and download Cholesterol Clarity and The Great Cholesterol Myth on audible and listen on your commute to work. Also, Peter Attia has 7-8 great podcasts covering heart disease and related labs that are worth a listen.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
9379 posts
Posted on 12/27/18 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

Would a keto style diet or something like the steak and eggs diet cause issues for someone with high cholesterol?



The fascinating thing is you can eat a small amount of steak and eggs and the Total and HDL are lower than if you eat a large amount of steak and eggs. Cholesterol is also dependent on the amount of food shoved down the gauntlet over a three day period.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
46039 posts
Posted on 12/27/18 at 11:56 pm to
It has me. I have had to convert to a paleo with more plant based food.

ETA:

You are gonna get a lot of post about high Cholestrol is not bad, and probably an internet link to prove their point, but high cholesterol is not to be fricked with.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 12:00 am
Posted by FatMan
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2079 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:17 am to
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You are gonna get a lot of post about high Cholestrol is not bad, and probably an internet link to prove their point, but high cholesterol is not to be fricked with.


A) We need to define high- the standard definition of high @ 200 is fine. 300, I don't know, but plenty of people with healthy arteries living well above 300.
B) We need to understand if LDL is high but trigs are normal and total is normal/high that you are probably fine. If LDL is low/normal and total is high, this may be a problem.
No offense to the poster I am replying to, but you might not have baseline knowledge of blood lipids.

High triglycerides are not to be fricked with. If total cholesterol and Trigs are both elevated, then yes, I would be worried. However, I could give 2 shits about total cholesterol if my triglycerides are in check and my HDL is at a healthy range.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:38 am to
quote:

You are gonna get a lot of post about high Cholestrol is not bad, and probably an internet link to prove their point, but high cholesterol is not to be fricked with.


Cholesterol is used to repair your body. If you have high cholesterol it is because something is wrong and needs repair. How and what you eat can effect how well your repair goes though.

HDL and LDL are carriers as was mentioned before. Basically one is a carrier to the problem and one is a carrier from the problem.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 8:44 am to
Thanks to all who offered input. I'll look into some of the resources mentioned. I go back in 3 months to get everything checked out again. In the meantime I guess I'll move forward with keto and see what happens to my results. If shite gets worse, I'll reevaluate and try something else.
Posted by LSUTiger1026
Member since Sep 2017
146 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:12 am to
I just commented on the question with Keto and lab work. For most people, labs will probably look better. There are certain people - it sounds like you are one of them - where they should probably have more plant based carbs and less fat. For what it’s worth, I also do a Paleo style diet with at least 10 servings of fruit and vegetables per day and have found similar results in my triglycerides to HDL ratio. I do not eat any processed foods or added sugars and I try to keep my non green vegetable carb window from 5-8:30 pm each night. I also eat my first meal at 11:30 or so each day. Also, I think anyone following Keto should get as many cruciferous and leafy green vegetables as possible without stepping out of ketosis. I don’t know much about the microbiome, but from what I’ve read and listened to, extra vegetables are probably a benefit in most people.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:14 am to
What I've Learned has quite a few videos on health/diets that are backed by studies. It is a pretty good source if you want to meander around.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
39254 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:45 am to
Terd are you exercising? Keto and intermittent fasting will be the best diet wise but you need to upgrade what you eat also for best effects. I.e. grass fed butter, beef, cheese etc. Free range eggs, chicken etc. Regular keto and if will make a big difference but those items will put it over the top.

Exercise and fat loss in general will make the biggest difference. 60-70% of your results will be from fatloss and lifting heavy helps that
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Exercise and fat loss in general will make the biggest difference. 60-70% of your results will be from fatloss and lifting heavy helps that



Was about to say this... Losing weight will help you more than whatever diet you choose.

If keto helps you get to a goal weight then do it.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 12:48 pm to
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Terd are you exercising?


Yep. Been building up my barn gym over the past few months. It's becoming my happy place. I try to get out there at least 4 or 5 days a week. I do regular weight lifting but I really enjoy the strongman type stuff... sandbags, sledgehammers, farmers carry. I also really enjoy boxing. I got an old ALICE pack to start doing 30+ min weighted ruck marches.

Since this pic I've added a few more things and there's still plenty of room to expand.

Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 12/28/18 at 4:47 pm to
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I go back in 3 months to get everything checked out again.


How big a boy are you now?
Posted by terd ferguson
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Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 12/28/18 at 7:12 pm to
Bout 245
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 12/29/18 at 6:41 am to
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Bout 245




So you have already dropped some weight? Good for you.

I started getting back in shape 14 months ago. I am hanging out around 225 now. After the 1st I am going to get strict on my diet again and drop the last 15 pounds I need to drop.

A combination of IF and Keto works best for me and my lab results have done nothing but improve even while eating a ton of red meat and eggs.

LSU777 has great advice and turned me onto reading Lean Gains. Even if packing on muscle and doing a recomposition isn't a goal of yours it's still worth a read IMO.
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