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Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:37 pm
Has anyone else read James Nestor's book?

Breath

I finally got through it and found it pretty compelling. I have gone full nose-breathing in the past week, and plan on trying it for at least 6 weeks to see what happens.

He makes the case that breathing technique/practice is about as essential as diet to health and longevity.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:41 pm to
I haven't read the book, but I did listen to his JRE podcast

I've tried to focus more on nose breathing when I'm sitting at my desk or when I'm just generally inactive

I really need to try the lip tape for at night, I just can't bring myself to do it

My left nostril is almost completely blocked, so breathing exercises to open it up would be very beneficial for me, I just need to be more consistent
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:44 pm to
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I really need to try the lip tape for at night
I bought the exact tape he recommended in the book and have found it almost 100% unobtrusive. I like waking up now without the crazy dry night mouth. I have to imagine 6 weeks of doing this is going to make at least some difference. You should give it a go!

Side benefit of nose breathing: you keep your damned mouth shut!
Posted by juice4lsu
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:44 pm to
I read the book and found it fascinating and informative. I've recommended it to quite a few folks.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 1:47 pm to
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Side benefit of nose breathing: you keep your damned mouth shut!


the side benefit will be my wife not kicking me in my sleep because I'm "breathing too loud"

I'm in pretty good shape, but I would like to see if this could help me reach another level

could you link the tape he recommends in the book?
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 1:48 pm
Posted by TigerInGrayton
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:18 pm to
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My left nostril is almost completely blocked, so breathing exercises to open it up would be very beneficial for me, I just need to be more consistent

This is why I swap nostrils with every line I do.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:32 pm to
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could you link the tape he recommends in the book?


Here you go:

LINK
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 2:32 pm to
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I read the book and found it fascinating and informative. I've recommended it to quite a few folks.
Did you take any of the recommendations into practice?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:06 pm to
thanks

the idea of taping my mouth shut is already giving me anxiety

Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:13 pm to
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the idea of taping my mouth shut is already giving me anxiety
I thought I'd be the same way, but it's really just nothing. Just as you're about to fall asleep, put a tiny little square over the middle of your lips (I think he says it's like a Charlie Chaplin mustache just moved down an inch). It's not some deal where you are actually completely restricted. Rather, it's just enough to keep the mouth from opening for the breath. If he's right about the effects, you won't wake up until morning. (Yes, he says mouth breathing is a major cause of peeing at night as well.)
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:51 pm to
Yes mouth breathing was known to be bad even by native americans. You are statistically dumber being a mouth breather.

LESS Breath: Better Health? | Mouth Breathing vs. Nasal Breathing
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:11 pm to
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Yes mouth breathing was known to be bad even by native americans. You are statistically dumber being a mouth breather.
The book basically says that almost all ancient cultures/traditions (Chinese/Arabic/African/etc.) have proverbs and/or other indictions pertaining to mouth breathing being terrible.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 8:21 am to
Read/own it and got into the breath practice about a year ago. It's incredible how little I knew about basic fundamentals of life previously. Pretty much all my workouts now are nasal unless absolutely necessary. Doing HIIT on th assault bike using nasal only has raised my lactic threshold and endurance significantly. I’ve been following Brian Mackenzie’s Shift adapt Program for breathing integrated workouts. He’s good friends with Nestor.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 8:25 am
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 11:48 am to
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It's incredible how little I knew about basic fundamentals of life previously
I know. It's just crazy how detached we've become from our bodies.

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Pretty much all my workouts now are nasal unless absolutely necessary.
I've started doing that - it's tough. Would you mind please sharing more about the progression of your experience on this?

Also, how long were doing nasal breathing (especially at night) before you noticed any semi-major changes? Do you feel as if your nasal capacity and tissues actually improved?

Anything you are willing to share, I'm sure we would love to hear it.
Posted by KoozieKing
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:18 pm to
This is somewhat of a tangent, but I recently got a CT scan and I have a pretty bad deviated septum. I am hesitant to get a septoplasty because I really don't have trouble nasal breathing, and I don't really have sinus problems. It just doesn't seem to tick off enough boxes to get the surgery. Anyone have any thoughts on the subject?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:44 pm to
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This is somewhat of a tangent, but I recently got a CT scan and I have a pretty bad deviated septum. I am hesitant to get a septoplasty because I really don't have trouble nasal breathing, and I don't really have sinus problems. It just doesn't seem to tick off enough boxes to get the surgery. Anyone have any thoughts on the subject?
The book would certainly say to try some of this stuff first before considering surgery.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 6:40 pm to
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I've started doing that - it's tough. Would you mind please sharing more about the progression of your experience on this?


It sucked at first of course but I'd say I noticed an improvement pretty quickly. In the past I was at least cognizant to inhale through the nose and exhale through the mouth but with all nasal, I pretty much dove right in. I didn't slowly integrate or anything. I started with a HIIT workout for time where I did stuff like dumbbell thrusters, pushups, things like that, and watched my time to complete diminish pretty considerably over a month.

Then I was also doing the assault bike for 30 seconds all out, as hard as you can go while maintaining only nasal, and then 1:30 break... For that I improved incrementally but noticeably to where I could only do one to blasting out 8 intervals in a row. Of course it's still a bitch and i'm barely able to keep from opening my mouth in between intervals, and all sorts of shite flies out of your nose.

In both cases I noticed my recovery time improve a ton and that's probably the best part for me. 9/10 after an intense cardio workout I feel fine almost right after while in the past I would have been dragging. Relatedly I don't get very sore too much anymore which as I understand it (the science is still hard to grasp) is because it's much harder to cross your lactic threshold and therefore produce lactic acid which will leave you sore when you're strictly doing aerobic vs anaerobic. I will say that for my longer runs I will only nasal breath for the first mile or so and then shift to nose inhale/mouth exhale.

As far as the nasal capacity and tissues etc, I don't tape my mouth shut or anything at night but I can absolutely say that ever since I started a combination of mindful breathing and cold showers every morning, my lifelong sinus/allergy issues are MUCH better (I quit taking Zyrtec with no looking back), I have way more energy, better stress reactions, and much better sleep, especially when doing a little breathwork prior to sleep to slow my heart rate. I quit taking melatonin altogether.

What really turned me on to all this was this book "The Wedge" by Scott Carney that you would certainly enjoy. He examines different techniques for rewiring how your body and mind react to the external world, so things like breathwork, saunas, cold therapy, ayahuasca.. the chapter on Brian Mackenzie wasn't as sexy as others but was the first time I've ever received any basic introduction to the relationship between CO2 and oxygen. Mackenzie's entire fitness philosophy is about adapting to and using carbon dioxide more beneficially as it the body's metabolic stress manager. The whole idea between these integrated nasal workouts is rooted in adapting to stress. Too much more to type here but that's where I got started.

This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 6:53 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 7:48 pm to
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The Wedge" by Scott Carney
Thanks - just ordered it.

Have you gotten competent at the CO2 stuff yet? Like, the certain number of breaths per minute with the exhale a beat longer than the inhale?

Also - pretty crazy the whole deal about how the mechanism for weight loss is basically shedding excess CO2, as it weighs more than O2.
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my lifelong sinus/allergy issues are MUCH better (I quit taking Zyrtec with no looking back),
I would say this is one of the primary impacts I'm hopeful about. It's not like my allergies are terrible, but just enough to be annoying. How long of taping at night would you imagine before I have a chance to see some material improvements?
Posted by KoozieKing
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 7:57 am to
Focusing on tongue posture diminishes the need for tape over time.
Posted by Turbotoes
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Posted on 12/15/21 at 1:28 pm to
This is good stuff. I'm eager to try it. Are you taping from above your lip to below or just the lips themselves?
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