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Any three day per week lifting programs y’all recommend?

Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:49 pm
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 11/23/18 at 8:49 pm
I wanna get bigger and stronger. Simple as that. I’m not opposed to full body or split programs.

I was a high school athlete. I run now, and I am in pretty good shape (6’0, 190). I want to start lifting weights. I have some experience, but I wanna hear from some more experienced lifters.

For cardio, I plan to run 2-3 miles twice per week.

TIA
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37963 posts
Posted on 11/23/18 at 9:16 pm to
LINK

Greyskull lp. Perfect for you.

531- 1000% awesome template while be good to. But greyskull would be best for what you are looking for.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28511 posts
Posted on 11/23/18 at 9:31 pm to
Is that a modified version of the 5x5? Help me calculate my weights please.

Bench max: prob 165
Squat max: prob 240
Deadlift max: prob 200

These are legit guesses. Last time I benched (2014), I could do sets of 6-7 of 150 lbs.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/23/18 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

Bench max: prob 165
Squat max: prob 240
Deadlift max: prob 200


Bench start 125
Squat start 165
Dead start 135


Do the LSU777 template for aesthetics and make sure you push the last set to as many reps as possible. If you get more than 10 reps, double the progression.

quote:

LSU777 GSLP for Aesthetics 
Week 1: 
• Monday- 
o Press-2x5,1x5+ 
o High Incline DB Press-3x10-12 
o Weighted Chin-2x6-8 
o Yates Row-2x6-8 
o Squat-2x5,1x5+ 

• Wednesday- 
o Incline Barbell Bench-2x5,1x5+ 
o Barbell Curl- 2x10-12 
o Close Grip Bench-2x8,1x8+ 
o DB Side Lateral Raise Super-setted with Face Pulls-2x10-12 
o Deadlift-1x5+ 

• Friday- 
o Press-2x5,1x5+ 
o High Incline DB Press-3x10-12 
o Weighted Chin-2x6-8 
o Yates Row-2x6-8 
o Squat-2x5,1x5+ 

Week 2: 
• Monday- 
o Incline Barbell Bench-2x5,1x5+ 
o Barbell Curl- 2x10-12 
o Close Grip Bench-2x8,1x8+ 
o DB Side Lateral Raise Super-setted with Face Pulls-2x10-12 
o Squat-2x5,1x5+ 

• Wednesday- 
o Press-2x5,1x5+ 
o High Incline DB Press-3x10-12 
o Weighted Chin-2x6-8 
o Yates Row-2x6-8 
o Deadlift-1x5+ 
Posted by marchballer
The Greatest Country on Earth
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 11/24/18 at 12:24 am to
Do this plan and run a few days a week and in 6 months you’ll be in beast mode.
Posted by Manzielathon
Death Valley
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/24/18 at 4:57 am to
Thought OP said he wanted to workout.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28511 posts
Posted on 11/24/18 at 7:39 am to
Thank you for your response. I have several questions.

1) Is this plan better than the standard 5x5 (StrongLifts)?

2) “Press” is the over the head shoulder press aka “military press,” right?

3) “1x5+” means a failure set, right? But I use the same weight?

4) What is a “face pull” and a “super set?”

5) Do I only lift twice in week 2?

6) Could I run 2 or so miles twice weekly and still achieve some good results?

7) I’m not trying to lift my eight or five rep max on each lift, right? Is there a percentage I am supposed to start with?

8) I am not trying to get massive, even though I am certainly a long way from that. I am trying to add lean muscle and get in better shape. This will accomplish that, right?
Thank you baws
This post was edited on 11/24/18 at 7:58 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37963 posts
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:10 am to
All of this is explained in the greyskull thread greyskull primer

1) Is this plan better than the standard 5x5 (StrongLifts)? Yes, it is a much more flexible system, allows for much better hypertrophy with the last set to failure. Also allows the program to be run for years setting rep records by using the deload and rotating lifts. Also doesn't focus on squats as much and takes deadlifts down to one set a week to not cut into recovery.

2) “Press” is the over the head shoulder press aka “military press,” right? Yes, press from the front straight above the head.

3) “1x5+” means a failure set, right? But I use the same weight? Yes means to failure. If you get at least 5 on all three sets you add 2.5lbs on upper body lifts, 5lbs on squats/deadlift. If you get 10+ reps on the last set double that.

4) What is a “face pull” and a “super set?”
A superset is doing two exercises in tandem. So you would do side lateral raise and immediately move to face pulls. That is one set, rest a min and repeat.

facepulls

5) Do I only lift twice in week 2?
No it didn't copy for some reason

• Friday-
o Incline Barbell Bench-2x5,1x5+
o Barbell Curl- 2x10-12
o Close Grip Bench-2x8,1x8+
o DB Side Lateral Raise Super-setted with Face Pulls-2x10-12
o Squat-2x5,1x5+


6) Could I run 2 or so miles twice weekly and still achieve some good results?
Yes run on Tuesday and Saturday's. Run two miles for time trying to improve. Greyskull standard is 2 miles in 12:30.

7) I’m not trying to lift my eight or five rep max on each lift, right? Is there a percentage I am supposed to start with?

No just start where I said or just start low. Push the last set to failure and use the double progression to adjust. Eventually it will catch up and you will have to perform a reset/deload as laid out in the thread.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37963 posts
Posted on 11/24/18 at 8:13 am to
quote:

I am not trying to get massive, even though I am certainly a long way from that. I am trying to add lean muscle and get in better shape. This will accomplish that, right?


That's what the system is designed for. Also allows you to get stronger along the way. If you get tired of running, you can do some of the conditioning Fortin the conditioning books.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28511 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 8:02 am to
5x5 StrongLifts seems simplistic, and I do like that about it. However, it is definitely squat heavy. I’m guessing it would not be the best for someone like me, as it doesn’t seem to spread around the work. Thanks for your advice.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37963 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 9:32 am to
This is very similar. But the amrap set makes a huge difference. Stronglifts is not that good for hypertrophy
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
16036 posts
Posted on 11/25/18 at 10:12 pm to
531 and stronglifts 5x5 (or greyskull) would be ideal if all you want to do is get bigger and stronger. None of that is bodybuilding. If you want to get jacked, then you want to bodybuild. Those programs arent ideal from a volume standpoint.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28511 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 6:13 am to
I want to get bigger. I do not want to get jacked, however.
This post was edited on 11/26/18 at 6:14 am
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37963 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:51 am to
quote:

531 and stronglifts 5x5 (or greyskull) would be ideal if all you want to do is get bigger and stronger. None of that is bodybuilding. If you want to get jacked, then you want to bodybuild. Those programs arent ideal from a volume standpoint

Plenty of 531 and greyskull templates allow you to get plenty of volume in bodybuild and get jacked. Especially 531.

Greyskull relies on intensity to cause a hypertrophy. it uses the same concepts as DC training which is used by some of the biggest and best bodybuilders in the world. Getting jacked is not always about volume it is also about intensity and frequency.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 7:58 am to
quote:

I want to get bigger. I do not want to get jacked, however.


Get bigger. It's difficult to be truly "jacked" as a natural.

If you feel you're too big, it's as easy as dialing thing back a bit. I'd always recommend choosing a program that will increase mass and strength as much as possible because it is much easier to lose them than gain them.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
28511 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 9:39 am to
It’s gonna be a long time before I’m “too” big
Posted by MSUmtowndawg
Jackson, MS
Member since Sep 2010
1490 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:09 am to
How do you do the failure sets if you dont have someone to spot you? Do you ask a gym worker or random lifter? Is there an alternative to the failure set or will it slow the process if you just do another set?

I am looking to start lifting after the first of the year but dont have workout buddies. I am going to try to do it on lunch break due to having small kids and not being able to go before or after work.

Been doing cardio and body weight stuff(pushups, squats) and have gone from 200 to 162 over the last 4 years. But i am ready to start lifting and toning up. I have been researching and your method looks great

Thanks
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
37963 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:30 am to
Lift in a power cage or make sure you leave a little left in the tank to the point of you make the particular rep but you know you won't make the next. This is what I mean by failure, not to go the you actually fail.

I always recommend lifting in a power cage even if you have a spotter for bench and squats, but especially bench. Bench is the one that can kill you. With squats you can always dump it. Bench can slip out of your hands and land on your chest or neck.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:34 am to
quote:

How do you do the failure sets if you dont have someone to spot you? Do you ask a gym worker or random lifter?


Do you have access to a cage where you can set the bottom range just below bench, ohp or deadlift?

That's the easiest way if you don't have a spot.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 11/26/18 at 11:41 am to
Out of curiosity (I'm not a Greyskull follower) can you do rest/pause to increase intensity on AMRAP?

You mentioned DC training, which, if I remember right, was big on rest/pause to enhance intensity of sets.
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