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80/20 Running Plan

Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 1:28 pm
Anyone here have experience with this? Picked up the book on a recommendation here I think..... Anyway, the premise of the book is to increase the mileage with daily running, but to have 80% of those runs be in Zones 1-2 which are calculated off max HR.

My max HR is 197. That puts my zone 2 at roughly 130-140 HR which translates into 11-13 minute miles depending on the temp, terrain, etc, etc. This is hard to do (run slow). He includes your typical speed work of splits, hill repeats, etc, etc, but limits that to 20% of the total time/mileage.

I ran my first 5K in a year and turned in a decent time.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 2:29 pm to
Running slow is hard

It’s a mental mind frick until you get the hang of it an being comfortable with running slower than a 10+ minute mile
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 3:48 pm to
what kind of heart rate monitor are you using? i'm skeptical of anything heart rate based due to the unreliability of the tracking.
Posted by Lawyers_Guns_Money
Member since Apr 2015
438 posts
Posted on 10/5/22 at 3:57 pm to
I am training for a 50 Miler and just finished my first ultra (50k) last Saturday.

The bulk of my mileage this year has been in Zone 2, trying to stay below 146bpm.

It takes a bit to get used to, but you get better/faster over time. And it is way easier in the fall/winter without the heat.

Zone 2 training definitely works..I ran 32 miles Saturday and can honestly say I was never out of breath once.
Posted by The Easter Bunny
Santa Barbara
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 4:20 pm to
I’m slow already but used this method over the summer and shaved almost 7% off my 5k PR in August. When I started I would have to take walking breaks to keep my HR in the correct zone which was demoralizing but I kept at it. YMMV
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/5/22 at 5:33 pm to
Its not a new idea. The concept has been used by Arthur Lydiard , or a variation of it, in the 1960s to train Gold medal winners including Peter Snell, an 800 meter guy. John McDonnel at Arkansas built their distance domination based on lots of long, slow runs. 20% of your mileage being speed work is about what I used to do but those speed workouts are done at a very high intensity.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Member since Dec 2009
44411 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 10:12 am to
I started with a Polar, but my wife got me a Garmin watch for Christmas. Not 100% sold on the watch for HR. Last night it kept saying I was over 160 HR and I knew it was wrong. Took it off. Put it back on and tightened it up. BAM! 130 HR.


Thanks for the feedback. I'm on the Scott Fitzgerald marathon plan right now. Like the other poster said, I feel like I could run forever at HR 140.
Posted by Lawyers_Guns_Money
Member since Apr 2015
438 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 10:25 am to
I agree that the HR tracking is not 100% accurate.

I wear a Coros Apex and a Whoop, on my run this morning there were portions where they were 20bpm off from each other. However most of time they are really close.

After enough zone 2 training, you will learn by "feel" where you should be and the actual HR is less important.

Even if the HR tracking is not 100% accurate, use it as directional guidance and get started.
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
11120 posts
Posted on 10/6/22 at 12:54 pm to
Pretty much what cashmoney stated. It's very painful at first but it pays off huge dividends.
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