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Morikawa's ceiling
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:42 am
At 24, Collin Morikawa now has 4 wins in 41 career starts.
Only player other than Tiger to win a major and WGC before 25.
What ceiling are we looking at with him? How many wins? Majors?
Only player other than Tiger to win a major and WGC before 25.
What ceiling are we looking at with him? How many wins? Majors?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:51 am to LMfan
#1 in the world to me, dude is elite.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:52 am to LMfan
20 wins, 3 majors. Hall of Fame.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:53 am to LMfan
I watch golf religiously. And, I've been following him for a while. I like him a lot and think he has a lot of potential. He also seems to be a really good kid.
Having said that, it seems like he's either "really ON" or is struggling. When he's really ON, he's as good as anyone.
The thing about Tiger was that he ALWAYS seemed to be ON during his prime. His "B game" (as he called it) was good enough to beat just about anyone on tour unless they just happened to be playing out of their freaking mind on that particular week.
So far, Morikawa hasn't shown that. His "B game" puts him in the middle of the pack, at best.
That doesn't mean he can't improve on that. He's still really young and hasn't been on tour that long. So, with some experience, he can be one of those 8-10 (or more) Majors guys with at least 30 wins.
ETA: When Tiger first came out, one of the things I said about him was that he built up so much torque in his hips and his knees that he would be extremely fortunate if he didn't suffer major injuries once he turned 35. That statement really held up. Morikawa seems to have a much more fluid swing. I think he may be someone who could play on the tour even into his 50's if he's lucky.
Having said that, it seems like he's either "really ON" or is struggling. When he's really ON, he's as good as anyone.
The thing about Tiger was that he ALWAYS seemed to be ON during his prime. His "B game" (as he called it) was good enough to beat just about anyone on tour unless they just happened to be playing out of their freaking mind on that particular week.
So far, Morikawa hasn't shown that. His "B game" puts him in the middle of the pack, at best.
That doesn't mean he can't improve on that. He's still really young and hasn't been on tour that long. So, with some experience, he can be one of those 8-10 (or more) Majors guys with at least 30 wins.
ETA: When Tiger first came out, one of the things I said about him was that he built up so much torque in his hips and his knees that he would be extremely fortunate if he didn't suffer major injuries once he turned 35. That statement really held up. Morikawa seems to have a much more fluid swing. I think he may be someone who could play on the tour even into his 50's if he's lucky.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 10:02 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:58 am to MMauler
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The thing about Tiger was that he ALWAYS seemed to be ON during his prime.
It’s hard not to, but we can’t compare everyone to Tiger. He’s a once in a lifetime player.
Morikawa will win a major if not several if he continues in this path. I can see him being a weapon in the Ryder Cup as well. I look forward to watching him over the next 10-15 years.
ETA: I forgot he has already won one.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:00 am to CoachChappy
Hes an incredible iron player.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:01 am to MMauler
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Having said that, it seems like he's either "really ON" or is struggling
Hes missed 5 cuts as a pro and has finished in the top 10 like a third of every tournament he's played in.
Also, almost 10% win rate including a major, a wgc and a win at Muirfield Village. Big tournaments with top flight fields. He's only lost one tournament he should've won as well, Colonial against Burger. Those stats are all time good so far.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 10:08 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:03 am to CoachChappy
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Morikawa will win a major if not several if he continues in this path
He's already won a Major -- the 2020 PGA.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:13 am to MMauler
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He's already won a Major -- the 2020 PGA.
Damn, I forgot about that.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:17 am to CoachChappy
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It’s hard not to, but we can’t compare everyone to Tiger. He’s a once in a lifetime player.
We're always hearing "who is the next Tiger." Before that, it was "who is the next Jack."
In the last 10-15 years, we've heard that about Rory, Justin, Jordan, and a few others.
What I'm saying is that from what I've seen SO FAR, Morikawa might have the best shot to even think about approaching being "the next Tiger." I think he has that potential. He just needs to be a little more consistent when he's shooting his "B game."
Is it likely that's he'll have over 8 majors? No. Not at all. BUT, I think he has that potential from what I've seen SO FAR.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:20 am to CoachChappy
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He's already won a Major -- the 2020 PGA.
Damn, I forgot about that.
It was such a LONG TIME AGO, I guess it's easy to forget!
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:21 am to LMfan
The guy imo is an elite level talent. Anywhere imo from 3-5 majors. The only real concern i have is his putting. He seems to be having some serious issues at times considering how young he is. His ball striking is just on another level though. I’d say 22 wins and 4 majors would be my guess. If he becomes an elite putter then he could blow his ceiling clean off.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:21 am to MMauler
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Is it likely that's he'll have over 8 majors?
I don't think there's a golfer alive that will win 8 majors. Certainly not a current professional. Too many good players. Guys like Sam Burns, Aaron Wise, etc are top 75 in the world and can win everytime they tee it up. Fields are too deep
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:23 am to MMauler
Not that this is on topic but, tigers swing I’m sure did have a good bit of reasoning behind his health issues but, if you read any of the books etc on tigers injuries they were because of the ridiculous training he was doing. Weight, running 10-15 miles daily, and seal training. This has been documented by multiple sources on why his back and knees gave out on him.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 10:25 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:33 am to LMfan
A few years ago people were saying the same thing about Spieth. Let’s pump the brakes on the Tiger comparisons.
I say he’ll have a Justin Thomas-type of career if he stays healthy.
I say he’ll have a Justin Thomas-type of career if he stays healthy.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 10:35 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:34 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I don't think there's a golfer alive that will win 8 majors.
Like I said, it's not likely. But, when it comes to majors, some players go on quick streaks. See Jordan Speith and Rory. Morikawa has that potential if he's playing his A-game for a couple of years worth of Majors. The current field is DEEP. But, of all the guys I've seen come and go, Morikawa seems as capable as any to do it based upon the very early results in his career so far.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:48 am to Tyga Woods
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A few years ago people were saying the same thing about Spieth. Let’s pump the brakes on the Tiger comparisons.
I say he’ll have a Justin Thomas-type of career if he stays healthy.
Up until the 80's, guys like McIlroy, Speith, Johnson, Thomas, etc. would have earned enough money to afford a nice house and live comfortably. I remember watching golf in the 70's and being amazed that golfers were paid $40,000 for winning ONE golf tournament. To me, that was all the money in the world. Hell, for $40K, you could have bought a "nice" 3 bedroom/2 bath house. It was only guys like Nicklaus and Palmer that made generational wealth.
Now-a-days, there are 10-20 golfers at any point in time that are earning generational-type wealth. Just this past weekend, Morikawa earned $1.8 million for the WGC. You can buy A LOT more than a "nice" house for $1.8 million. And, they are making MUCH more when it comes to endorsements and the like.
And, for that, they should all bow and give a big THANK YOU to Tiger Woods. He was the one who brought the million dollar tournament winnings. Cash prizes almost doubled overnight when he hit the tour.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 11:36 am to MMauler
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He's already won a Major -- the 2020 PGA.
Damn, I forgot about that.
I won't forget that incredible Eagle he hit on Sunday to win it. Collin hitting that cut into drivable par 4s is a thing of beauty.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 11:37 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 1:52 pm to LMfan
I think he's a surefire future Hall of Famer (20+ wins, probably 2 - 3+ majors), but beyond that, who knows.
The construction of his game and swing is built for the long haul, so I think he's likely to last quite a while.
If the USGA/R&A were to tinker with the ball, he would probably stand to benefit. He is as good of an iron player and shot shaper as there is in the game right now.
The construction of his game and swing is built for the long haul, so I think he's likely to last quite a while.
If the USGA/R&A were to tinker with the ball, he would probably stand to benefit. He is as good of an iron player and shot shaper as there is in the game right now.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 4:07 pm to LMfan
If he putts like he did this weekend, he's the best player in the world.
That not gonna happen though, but if he can consistently be in the top 50 on strokes gained putting he can win 1 to 2 tournaments a year.
That not gonna happen though, but if he can consistently be in the top 50 on strokes gained putting he can win 1 to 2 tournaments a year.
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