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re: LIV officially removes request for OWGR points
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:46 pm to The Pirate King
Posted on 3/5/24 at 2:46 pm to The Pirate King
quote:Well, there is your ignorance. OWGR said they could work with all of the above jsut like you stated.
If the cut is the issue then don't give points to anyone outside the top 10 or even top 5. If three rounds is the issue then reduce the points given by 1/4. If the field size is the issue, then reduce the points by the percentage less players that LIV has over an average tour event. OWGR did none of this and instead just denied them completely.
However, you didn’t mention the actual reason LIV is left out
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“Some of the format issues – 54 holes, no cut, 48 players – is capable of being dealt with mathematically in the system,” Dawson said. “Things that can’t be are team golf and individual golf [together].
“But the main one is qualification and relegation criteria that apply. With contracts and team captains, there are many ways to stay on the LIV tour even if you are not playing well.
Oh, yeh LIV was really doing everything they could
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quote]Regarding the limited amount of turnover among qualified LIV players, the OWGR letter said LIV informed the board on July 27 that 14 players will be invited back regardless of their performance, more than double what LIV officials originally told the OWGR. Also, as few as four players (three from the LIV Promotions Event and one from the Asian Tour International Series) may join LIV in 2024 with the other participants selected by LIV management.[/quote
Maybe next time don’t lie directly to the organization you are trying to join
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 2:53 pm
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Posted on 3/5/24 at 3:12 pm to lsupride87
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“Things that can’t be are team golf and individual golf [together].
Individual golf contributing to a team score isn't traditional team golf. Everyone's scores count and it's not a scramble.
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But the main one is qualification and relegation criteria that apply. With contracts and team captains, there are many ways to stay on the LIV tour even if you are not playing well.
So LIV is disqualified from OWGR points because they don't have a Korn Ferry Tour to take players from and instead sign higher quality established golfers directly? I'm pretty sure LIV is affiliated with the Asian Tour and feeds in players from there too.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 3:39 pm to The Pirate King
Did you read what you posted?
quote:What does that have to do with korn ferry or Asia?
With contracts and team captains, there are many ways to stay on the LIV tour even if you are not playing well.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 3:40 pm to The Pirate King
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Individual golf contributing to a team score isn't traditional team golf. Everyone's scores count and it's not a scramble.
A player may not take a risk to protect their team score, which harms the individual competition.
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And yet, the OWGR board had more of an issue with the team aspect of LIV Golf. Last April, one LIV golfer, Sebastian Muñoz, admitted to lagging a putt on the 18th green to secure the team title instead of trying to win the individual competition.
Had that putt dropped, Muñoz would have tied Brooks Koepka, forcing a playoff.
“It’s weird because I knew we were one stroke ahead on the team, so I couldn’t go extra. I knew I couldn’t be too aggressive,” Munoz said afterward, per The Associated Press.
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 4:01 pm to hehateme2285
This is a weak example from 1 out of 25 LIV tournaments & it was 1 player.
If that’s 1 reason why OWGR doesn’t want to award points, then didn’t LIV address this concern by making a change for 2024? Now all 4 players scores count on the final day.
ETA: I think this story is being grossly misrepresented. He tried to make the birdie to tie Brooks, but wanted to make sure he didn’t bogey & lose the team competition. They both got par on the hole
If that’s 1 reason why OWGR doesn’t want to award points, then didn’t LIV address this concern by making a change for 2024? Now all 4 players scores count on the final day.
ETA: I think this story is being grossly misrepresented. He tried to make the birdie to tie Brooks, but wanted to make sure he didn’t bogey & lose the team competition. They both got par on the hole
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The final hole shed some insight into the team component of LIV Golf.
Koepka and Munoz both were about 40 feet away for birdie. Koepka went first and left the putt just over 4 feet away. Munoz needed to make birdie to force a playoff. However, his Torque team had a one-shot lead over the Smash team led by Koepka.
If he were to hit the putt too hard and three-putt for bogey, Munoz might have cost Torque the team title. He left it just under 4 feet short, and made the par for Torque to win a team competition for the first time.
“It’s weird, because I knew we were one stroke ahead on the team, so I couldn’t go extra. I knew I couldn’t be too aggressive,” Munoz said.
“He got the individual, we got the team. I call it a tie.”
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 4:34 pm to JimTiger72
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If that’s 1 reason why OWGR doesn’t want to award points, then didn’t LIV address this concern by making a change for 2024? Now all 4 players scores count on the final day.
All 4 scores counting doesn’t change that scenario…..
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He tried to make the birdie to tie Brooks, but wanted to make sure he didn’t bogey & lose the team competition.
He literally was quoted that he wasn’t trying to make the putt and left it almost 4’ short to secure the team title. A guy playing for himself that has to make the putt to win doesn’t leave that short.
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“It’s weird, because I knew we were one stroke ahead on the team, so I couldn’t go extra. I knew I couldn’t be too aggressive,” Munoz said.
It was weird because normally he’d try to make the putt
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 4:41 pm to hehateme2285
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All 4 scores counting doesn’t change that scenario…..
It absolutely does when you have Chase Koepka shooting a 74 that doesn’t count.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 4:44 pm to lsupride87
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And you can’t do that when a tour has guranteed contracts and a closed tour Rickie Fowler went from top 10 to out of the top 100 If the pga tour was setup like LIV that never comes close to happening.
Oh bullshite. Someone much smarter than you or I could come up with several solutions that would address all of the issues.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 4:51 pm to hehateme2285
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A player may not take a risk to protect their team score, which harms the individual competition.
College golf isn’t real golf, I guess.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 4:54 pm to BBONDS25
That would be a good argument except that college golfers aren’t picking up OWGR points.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:09 pm to lsupride87
OWGR means jack shite. It was always a somewhat flawed metric. Just look at how many US Ryder Cup picks were made based on OWGR and not a players previous 6 months of play. I guess the Masters sent Joaquin Neiman an invite cause they are nice people. Not that they have enough sense to realize he is a Top 50 player based on current form and they want to have the best field they can.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:18 pm to JimTiger72
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It absolutely does when you have Chase Koepka shooting a 74 that doesn’t count.
His score would already be posted, so a player in the last group would still know what he needs on 18 to win the team title……
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College golf isn’t real golf, I guess.
A college kid never even thinks about lagging it, especially if his putt got him an individual title.
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:25 pm to lsupride87
IMO Asian tour dumps OWGR next, then LIV doubles the number of teams and expands the number of events, and post-Masters LIV goes on a buying spree.
No way the PGA will be able to compete.
No way the PGA will be able to compete.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:45 pm to SingleMalt1973
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Not that they have enough sense to realize he is a Top 50 player based on current form and they want to have the best field they can.
I like how they asked him about his odds to win the Masters after his win this weekend & he said that can’t be real, he’s only a top 100 golfer
I think LIV players have known for a while that OWGR was a lost cause
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:48 pm to JimTiger72
It was a bad question because he actually isn’t a favorite
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:48 pm to hehateme2285
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His score would already be posted, so a player in the last group would still know what he needs on 18 to win the team title……
I’m sorry, what?
Team score would have been -36 to -31 on 18, so yes it would have resolved the issue.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:53 pm to JimTiger72
You are really slow or being intentionally obtuse
LIV did not rectify the issue he is talking about. There is still a situation a player could choose a safe par for a team win instead of being aggressive for birdie which would be needed for a tie in the individual event
LIV did not rectify the issue he is talking about. There is still a situation a player could choose a safe par for a team win instead of being aggressive for birdie which would be needed for a tie in the individual event
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:55 pm to lsupride87
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or being intentionally obtuse
You would know
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