re: LIV officially removes request for OWGR points

How about Kieth Mitchell. The corrupt golf media is so politically involved keeping him from majors this year

I think the lack of cross tour play for the LIV guys is going to make it tough to judge them against players that play PGA/DP/Majors more frequently. If its the same field every tournament for the year then one guy might be winning a ton and shoot really low scores, but is that just from the other players on that tour getting worse? no way to tell if they don't play other guys.

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You’re picking terrible examples. His highest ranking ever is 44th.

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You listed Varner, a high rank of 35

Ok what about Kuchar? Will it be corrupt golf media keeping him out too? Rickie Fowler? Webb Simpson?

At some points those former top guys missed it or will miss it this year

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You listed Varner, a high rank of 35

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He also won a LIV event & has had four top 10s since last years Masters

So now we’re going back to 2022 when they had half of the talent on LIV

ETA: hey dumbass, Stenson made the cut & finished T13 (The Open) and 2nd (Saudi Open) in his last two OWGR tournaments in 2023

Data Golf seems like the best product by far right now for world rankings. The biggest issue with OWGR is that too many of the first wave players have dropped to levels that even if the OWGR started ranking them, field strength would be way too low.

The No Laying Up guys talked about a cool tool on Data Golf that I have been playing around with called Tournament Summaries. It shows the field strength of each tournament by strokes gained. It also has a formula called "X-Score" which is the probability the field beats a +2 strokes gained player.

If you sort tournaments by strokes gained, LIV tournaments are behind the Signature/Elevated/whatever small field events the PGA is doing and Waste Management, but above the rest of the run of the mill PGA tournaments. By X Score, due to field size, the PGA tournaments are ranked as harder. But LIV tournaments have a higher X Score than DP World Tour.

Link to Data Golf Tournament Summaries

Pride - what do you think about the PGA going to a closed shop for it's elevated events? I don't think they are much better than a LIV event when you only have a few spots open to based on the results of the prior regular PGA events, especially when the sponsorship exemptions are going to guys like Peter Malnati and Webb Simpson.

It will be very interesting to see how much churn that top 50 has in FedEx points at the end of the season, because if 40/45 out of 50 guys remain the same, it is basically LIV with the veneer of qualifying.

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The biggest issue with OWGR is that too many of the first wave players have dropped to levels that even if the OWGR started ranking them, field strength would be way too low.

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I think that is why Norman finally threw in the towel.

....or follow the rules or you will get nothing. If they wanted points they should have stayed on tour.

Nah, it's not their job to capitulate. Conform or get nothing.

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If the cut is the issue then don't give points to anyone outside the top 10 or even top 5. If three rounds is the issue then reduce the points given by 1/4. If the field size is the issue, then reduce the points by the percentage less players that LIV has over an average tour event.

OWGR did none of this and instead just denied them completely.

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You didn't list the main reason they don't get points.