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re: LIV officially removes request for OWGR points
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:Carlos Ortiz, a liv golfer, said they were told they were getting points
They knew going in that they weren't getting points.
quote:I know you don’t believe this
Norman and LIV tried about as hard as you can I'm sure.
Everything else you said I 100% agree with
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 12:10 pm
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Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:08 pm to lsupride87
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I mean, players have a right to be pissed at LIV and Norman here
LIV expected OWGR to act with reason and without bias and they didn't.
Regardless of what LIV is doing, there's a ton of external pressure that will force the OWGR to change or be rendered obsolete.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:10 pm to The Pirate King
quote:Thats exactly what they did. Giving LIV points would be acting with bias
LIV expected OWGR to act with reason and without bias and they didn't.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:32 pm to lsupride87
Almost seems like Pride called this from day one. I remember him arguing when this all started that LIV would have to change if they wanted OWGR points and not the other way around.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:48 pm to RedHawk
I did, and was berated and called a fool
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:53 pm to lsupride87
Are there any respected independent rankings/analytics out there like what you have seen with college sports that has developed a good system regardless of tour? Something like Kenpom, etc.?
I don’t know if it is doable, but someone that can create a better ranking system has an opportunity right now.
I don’t know if it is doable, but someone that can create a better ranking system has an opportunity right now.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:57 pm to lsupride87
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Carlos Ortiz, a liv golfer, said they were told they were getting points
I would imagine they were told "we're working to get points/we hope to be getting points soon". I mean a guy would have to be a fool to think it was a done deal. Nobody in their right mind would believe that a brand new league that was going against the tour would be getting points right away. I've said from the beginning that I don't think they should be getting points and if they did, it should be a reduced amount. I figured if the tour lasted, it would take a couple years minimum for them to qualify in any way. If they started giving them points in year one or two, then that would probably cause numerous other tours to start popping up wanting the same thing.
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I know you don’t believe this
I mean it's pretty much impossible to say either way but what why would they not? Seems like they would have exhausted most of their resources before bowing out.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:07 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Because getting the points is easy. Every other tour figured it out
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:19 pm to lsupride87
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If the top 10 are all exempt, they aren’t going to get 20 guys
Why not? The PGA Tour has essentially locked up 50+ spots in every major with their signature events.
There were 20+ LIV golfers playing in all majors the last two years.
In 2022, there were 30+ LIV golfers in 3 out of 4 majors. 25 at Masters
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:22 pm to WDE24
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Are there any respected independent rankings/analytics out there like what you have seen with college sports that has developed a good system regardless of tour? Something like Kenpom, etc.?
Any of these 3 seem more accurate than OWGR
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:23 pm to JimTiger72
Because that’s now how it works
If top 50 or top 75 is a qualifying metric for a major, that’s what you need to get to to make it within that metric
It isn’t “top 50 not counting the guys exempt other ways”
The own metrics you posted also shows 8-10 is the sweet spot for liv players in majors BTW
If top 50 or top 75 is a qualifying metric for a major, that’s what you need to get to to make it within that metric
It isn’t “top 50 not counting the guys exempt other ways”
The own metrics you posted also shows 8-10 is the sweet spot for liv players in majors BTW
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:27 pm to lsupride87
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The own metrics you posted also shows 8-10 is the sweet spot for liv players in majors BTW
Going off an accurate top 50 that would put them at 14 golfers in Masters. Well short of the 20+ each in the past 2 years
Datagolf still seems a bit skewed to OWGR/PGA players. Probably due to less events for LIV
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:30 pm to JimTiger72
quote:poulter, Westwood, Na, Wolff etc shouldn’t be in the masters anymore
Going off an accurate top 50 that would put them at 14 golfers in Masters. Well short of the 20+ each in the past 2 years
Do you think the PGA tour players like Stallings should be in the masters this year?
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:32 pm to lsupride87
Oosthuizen
Pereira
Kokrak
Ancer
Varner
Pieters
Probably should be. You could make an argument for a number of LIV guys
Pereira
Kokrak
Ancer
Varner
Pieters
Probably should be. You could make an argument for a number of LIV guys
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:33 pm to lsupride87
LIV needs OWGR, not the other way around. LIV should conform to OWGR standards.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:34 pm to lsupride87
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the PGA tour players like Stallings
I don’t even know who that is
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:34 pm to JimTiger72
Holy shite. Varner and Pieters? Anger and Kokrak?
Give me a break
Give me a break
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:34 pm to JimTiger72
quote:He was top 30 in the standings 2 years ago so he definitely 100% should still be top 30 in the world now
I don’t even know who that is
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:35 pm to lsupride87
Scott Stallings? His best OWGR rank is 53rd
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