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re: LIV Golf Invitational - London - Winner: Schwartzel -7
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:46 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:46 pm to lsupride87
If LIV is 54 holes, what's the rationale behind going Thurs/Fri/Sat & not Fri/Sat/Sun?
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Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:46 pm to lsupride87
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Honestly JT is the man. Dude is full of piss and vinegar
Unless your're a fan, then JT also hates you. Dudes a b!tch
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:46 pm to shel311
Saudis can’t work on Sunday. Every LIV player is forced to pray to Mecca on sundays
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:50 pm to shel311
I think it has to do this week with the US Open being next week and giving players another day to get back to the States.
Not sure if it will continue to be that way.
Not sure if it will continue to be that way.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:50 pm to mizslu314
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Unless your're a fan, then JT also hates you. Dudes a b!tch
I mean every player going to LIV doesn’t give a shite about the fan angle, so…..
And JT says to you
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:50 pm to Tiger in NY
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Correct, I was just pointing out that the players shouldn't receive "ALL" the revenues. The Tour does a lot to help up and comers, and that is good for the game. I know a dozen people here in Jax that work for the Tour, and there is a lot that they do for the players.
Sure. But extra money from the likes of ESPN+ show go into a fund and evenly distributed to anyone with a current tour card and qualifies for a certain amount of tourneys.
I agree the PGA does a lot, but it seems they have to do a lot because the players aren't getting cuts of the TV deals. (Like baseball, football, etc)
There are roughly 175-200 Tour cards active each year. Give each and every active member 10k per month. PGA can afford 1.75M/month without even missing it.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:56 pm to shel311
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Well unfortunately they have to do this to make money to pay the players
Imagine if the Saudis are doing the anti sportswashing approach. They're going to keep pumping money for seasons and seasons until the PGA folds, and then they'll just say, "ok, we're done with golf now"
They actually are pretty clearly trying to corner the market on the product supply after which they'll have complete control over the entire ecosystem and product pricing. Not an unknown phenomenon at all; also a close cousin of when an Amazon or someone similar will attack a market with predatory, below-cost pricing for a sustained period to drive out all competitors, monopolize a market, and then jack prices way up. Illegal and anti-competitive as frick, but really hard to prove.
I think there's been a bit of a misread on the Saudi PIF's intentions. Sportswashing and diversification away from O&G is a part of it, but they will want a financial return at some point. Anyone who has ever dealt with Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds as LP's in alternative assets (private equity funds, hedge funds, VC funds) will tell you what they are like. They are currently prepared to commit ~1% or so of the AUM to this league; that is a huge commitment in the context of the entire fund (for reference, that is nearly 2X what they invested in Uber), and that's an enormous opportunity cost to just be pissing away those kinds of resources on a national PR gamble.
We'll see what happens, but those who are saying LIV will have an open-ended, blank checkbook for years on end might be surprised if LIV doesn't really take a dominant market position within a couple of years (and they well might).
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:59 pm to shel311
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I just wanna point out the fact that we have 2 posters on opposites side of this debate posting a shite ton that are named lsufball19 and lsufb1912 is bullshite! I can't keep up.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:01 pm to lsupride87
Those players dont openly yell at fans all the time. JT hates fans, literally has had several issues with yelling at them while on the course.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:01 pm to lsupride87
We still gonna get that drive to survive style golf show?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:08 pm to CBandits82
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I feel like Brooks Koepka is next to go.
He's won $1.2M making 8/14 cuts this yr. His little brother who is ranked 1562 in OWGR might make more money than him this year
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:10 pm to the LSUSaint
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Give each and every active member 10k per month. PGA can afford 1.75M/month without even missing it.
I don't disagree with all tour players getting a minimum paycheck, but it shouldn't be a flat rate per month. IMO, it needs to be based on playing in tournaments. I would fully support them giving something like $5000 per tournament for players who miss the cut. That would work out to a 6 figure yearly income if you played 25 events and missed every single cut. And, as with your idea, the PGA wouldn't miss the money. That would work out to somewhere in the ~$250-300k ballpark for those players per tournament or in the area of $12-15 million per year dedicated to those payouts. I think that would be fair and very manageable from the Tour. If you want to make more, you can play more tournaments. If you play in every event on tour for a year, you're still making around $250k without making a single cut.
Revenue sharing gets a lot more complicated with players playing widely different Tour schedules and with them being independent contractors.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:11 pm to shel311
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If LIV is 54 holes, what's the rationale behind going Thurs/Fri/Sat & not Fri/Sat/Sun?
LIV Season goes into football season. They're not competing with the PGA & NFL on sundays.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:12 pm to lsufb1912
quote:Yep, that'll do it.
LIV Season goes into football season. They're not competing with the PGA & NFL on sundays.
Thanks
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:18 pm to lsufball19
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but it shouldn't be a flat rate per month
Dude, I clearly said
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with a current tour card and qualifies for a certain amount of tourneys.
So yes, if they miss cuts or don't play, they get less.
That's just an example, but if they decided the floor was 10k, then it goes up from there.
It's peanuts to the tour. But the Tour doesn't care and is now PUNISHING players for playing for more money.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:23 pm to lsupride87
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It's hilarious Rory left his own country for the US money, but now is putting down those that do the same. It's comical
There is a take
Point being, what if the European tour never allowed him to play there again because he plays PGA?
PGA is hypocritical and so is he, especially for speaking out against those who want to play elsewhere.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:28 pm to the LSUSaint
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with a current tour card and qualifies for a certain amount of tourneys.
you said this in relation to a distribution of revenue sharing from youtube and the likes. And everyone with a tour card qualifies for every regular tour event
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So yes, if they miss cuts or don't play, they get less.
You didn't address this with respect to the $10k flat rate per month to all tour players, which is why I did. WHy should a non-exempt player who plays the minimum required to keep his card (15) receive the same monthly stipend as a guy who plays 25-30 tournaments? That's why I said I think the minimum payout should be based on tournaments played and not just a monthly rate so everyone is getting paid every time they go to work for the Tour.
I think we're in agreement to pay every golfer something, regardless of whether they make the cut, so not sure why you're responding like I'm disagreeing with the spirit of your proposed idea
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is now PUNISHING players for playing for more money.
They're not punishing tour players for playing for more money. They're punishing them for defying the Tour's rejection of their waiver requests to play in the LIV event. How much or little the guys are getting paid isn't why they're being punished. How much they're getting paid is why the guys left the PGA Tour for the LIV Tour.
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:34 pm to the LSUSaint
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Point being, what if the European tour never allowed him to play there again because he plays PGA?
He probably wouldn't care, but the PGA and European Tours have been partners for a long time, so not sure what point you're trying to make here.
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PGA is hypocritical and so is he, especially for speaking out against those who want to play elsewhere.
How does that make him a hypocrite?
Posted on 6/9/22 at 3:50 pm to lsufball19
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PGA and European Tours have been partners for a long time, so not sure what point you're trying to make here.
Point I'd PGA is fine with them playing elsewhere, as long as it is someone PGA allows.
But if a player decides to Mae 200M somewhere else, PGA bans them...lol
You don't see the hypocritical part?
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How does that make him a hypocrite?
Cause it's fine for him to play elsewhere when he feels like it, but not other players who want to play LIV.
Would he had ever come to PGA if his European card would have been revoked for leaving? Simple answer is he would not have come.
But now he's holding interviews speaking negatively against others doing the same
Posted on 6/9/22 at 4:20 pm to the LSUSaint
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Would he had ever come to PGA if his European card would have been revoked for leaving?
probably, yes
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