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How much easier do these U.S. Open type courses play the rest of the year?
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:29 am
Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:29 am
I’m assuming Shinnecock is not always impossible to score on, otherwise regular golfers would hate to be members. Same goes with all the U.S. Open courses that destroy the pros. I’m sure there is data out there, how much easier are they when there isn’t a tournament?
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 10:33 am to Tiger1242
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I’m sure there is data out there, how much easier are they when there isn’t a tournament?
All I have for reference is when I played Pinehurst #2 this past fall the caddies told me when they played the US open the fairways were rolling faster than the greens were running when I played. And they were by no means slow.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/18/26 at 11:01 am to Tiger1242
I played Pebble Beach the week after the 2010 US Open and you could see where they had cut down the rough along a lot of the fairways. What was now normal rough was previously 1-2 feet high rough for the tournament. Not sure the greens were that different but you could see all over the course how the setup was different for the Open.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:07 pm to coolpapaboze
Rough and green speed.
I played Shoal Creek the week after the PGA. 8” rough and the greens were still super fast.
You could see why the pros struggled. In the deep rough was take wedge and hack it back to the fairway
I played Shoal Creek the week after the PGA. 8” rough and the greens were still super fast.
You could see why the pros struggled. In the deep rough was take wedge and hack it back to the fairway
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:08 pm to Tiger1242
Pebble beach when they play the AT&T Pro Am vs when it’s played as a US Open is very different.
Same with Torrey Pines
Shrink the fairways and let the rough grow and it will cause scores to rise
Same with Torrey Pines
Shrink the fairways and let the rough grow and it will cause scores to rise
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:12 pm to Tiger1242
The USGA was adamant leading up to Shinnecock that the fairway width is exactly what the members play. It has not been reduced like it was for the 2018 US Open. I would assume the speed is amped up on the greens and fairways.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:18 pm to Tiger1242
What's most amazing to me is that the USGA has to pull out all the stops to make these courses as difficult as possible, and yet ANGC plays about as hard, if not tougher during the Masters than most US Open venues as of late and without all the gimmicks.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:27 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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What's most amazing to me is that the USGA has to pull out all the stops to make these courses as difficult as possible, and yet ANGC plays about as hard, if not tougher during the Masters than most US Open venues as of late and without all the gimmicks.
Have you ever read about all the stuff ANGC does to its course to get ready for the masters? The pros are almost playing an entirely different golf course than the members are. The amount of money work ANGC puts into it is incredible
Posted on 6/18/26 at 1:38 pm to Tiger1242
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The pros are almost playing an entirely different golf course than the members are.
Like what?
USGA grows out the rough like crazy, narrows fairways, makes the greens borderline unplayable at times.
ANGC doesn’t do any of that bullshite and their course plays just as tough, if not tougher.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:32 pm to Tiger1242
They slow down the greens at Oakmont for the US Open.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:41 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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ANGC doesn’t do any of that bullshite and their course plays just as tough, if not tougher.
I've read and seen commentary that Augusta is a manageable course from member tees and normal conditions. And winning score this year was double digits under par.
In the 5 times the US Open was played at Shinnecock, apparently only 9% of the rounds were under par and like 3 people finished with a 72 hole score under par. I'd say that's a decent difference compared to Augusta. Was a wild stat that popped up earlier while watching at lunch.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:55 pm to Jon A thon
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And winning score this year was double digits under par.
And this is what I'm talking about.
It doesn't apply so much to Shinnecock, because Shinnecock is normally a par 70 course (which I think it's a bit gimmicky that a 7000 yard course from the members tees only has 2 par 5s).
But even avid golf fans will say "hey, the masters must be easier because those guys are shooting 10 under whereas the US Open has guys struggling to shoot 3 or 4 under"
Totally ignoring the fact that 10 under at Augusta is more total strokes than 4 under at Oakmont.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 2:58 pm to Tiger1242
Shinnecock is hard to score on, it almost broke me when i played. Wind was brutal. Beautiful experience though. It is at least 9 strokes harder from the same tees if i were to play today.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:34 pm to Tiger1242
On Live From the US Open the other night, the superintendent said that they don't do much differently than everyday play.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:40 pm to Tiger1242
Rough length and green speed. Just look how easy Bethpage played during the Ryder Cup when they cut the rough way down.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:54 pm to Tiger1242
I played Pinehurst #2 earlier this year and didn’t think it was too bad. Shot 79 and didn’t play well at all. I went back after and watched US Open highlights from when Bryson won and it didn’t even compare to what I played. It was nothing like that.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 8:58 pm to Smoke7024
Played Oakmont week of PGA this year with a member whose father was a past President of the club, he also said they slowed the greens down from normal play. I three putted the first three holes and ultimately 5 or 6 total greens. Rough was thick and nasty as well but I hit many fairways that day and shot 82.
These old courses that are the best of the best don’t need to be tricked up like our local places, they already have superior course architecture and perfect agronomy and are designed to play hard and as a member of one of those kind of places I like it that way. When I play normal good courses the game seems and is easier.
These old courses that are the best of the best don’t need to be tricked up like our local places, they already have superior course architecture and perfect agronomy and are designed to play hard and as a member of one of those kind of places I like it that way. When I play normal good courses the game seems and is easier.
Posted on 6/18/26 at 9:14 pm to toots-N-scoots
Played Shinnecock many times. Very hard. All the time. Obviously tees make a difference.
When members call a par 3 the best par 5 on the course it’s a hard course. The Par 3s overall are brutal. Par 3 11 is awful to look at. Caddies won’t let you pick your own club. They’ve seen you for 10 holes. They pick the club. And they say aim there. And you say you can’t mean that spot. They say hit this club to that spot. If you do it you make par. If you don’t you make 5. Long left is impossible.
From the tee par 3 17 looks like there is no place on the green. National next door is a better amateur course. Shinnecock is hard. With wind it’s crazy hard.
That being said, it is more playable for the average golfer (I’m about 10) than Winged Foote. Bethpage also harder for avg player.
When members call a par 3 the best par 5 on the course it’s a hard course. The Par 3s overall are brutal. Par 3 11 is awful to look at. Caddies won’t let you pick your own club. They’ve seen you for 10 holes. They pick the club. And they say aim there. And you say you can’t mean that spot. They say hit this club to that spot. If you do it you make par. If you don’t you make 5. Long left is impossible.
From the tee par 3 17 looks like there is no place on the green. National next door is a better amateur course. Shinnecock is hard. With wind it’s crazy hard.
That being said, it is more playable for the average golfer (I’m about 10) than Winged Foote. Bethpage also harder for avg player.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 12:15 am to Tiger1242
I am quite certain my tally at Shinnecock today would have been 125 strokes, 15 lost balls, 22 goddammits and 31 motherfrickers
This post was edited on 6/19/26 at 12:17 am
Posted on 6/19/26 at 10:57 am to Tiger1242
Well, the wind still blows. The greens are still fast. They cut the fairway rough shorter and you dont play it as long.
Easy birdies rest of the year.
Easy birdies rest of the year.
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