How do these YouTube golfers not improve?

Same reason reality TV or pornstars are never in real actor roles. Nobody invested takes their antics seriously, so they are left to draw the attention from the bottom third of society.

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As good as Dalke is, and he IS good, the gap is still pretty big from his level to the average PGA Tour player.

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I’m not so sure about this one, definitely a big difference between him and a top level PGA player but the average player? I think he might be there. We will soon find out, he just finished 30th in a DP World Tour event (he was in 2nd after round 2), and is playing in a PGA tour event in November. If he can make the cut and have a decent showing I think we can confidently say he’s as good as an average PGA player.

He just left Good Good due to some health issues his wife has been having, I think he’s about to try and make the jump to full time pro golfer. I’m not sure he’ll make it, but he’s got a chance, he’s head and shoulders better than every other YouTube golfer, even Ryan Ruffles and Wesley Bryan who both have pro golfer experience (Wesley is a PGA tour winner)

Sure it’s a small sample size, but he just did well in DP event and so if he can do it again on the PGA tour I’m willing to make the reach and call him “average”

There’s also the eye test, the dude obviously has the game, he hits the ball a mile and straight, works it both ways, chipping and putting is very good. I don’t know if he’s grinding like a PGA player, but if he is or if he starts, I think he might just make it.

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For these two entities, I think they both know if they ever got super good at golf their viewers would drop. People like to watch golfers they can relate to.

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Yep - their customers are the people who see themselves when ForePlay, Bob Does Sports, etc. are playing.

The other thing is that to get really good or really, really good, it takes a lot of technical training, a lot of monotony, a lot of work behind the scenes that you'll never see. Just playing a lot of golf will make you a better player, but there is a ceiling. No one wants to watch ForePlay or Good Good guys do wedge clock drills or the gate drill on the green for an hour everyday.

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Garrett was already a + handicap when good good (or his solo channel) started so any improvement from him was going to be more difficult to see just watching those videos.

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Garrett is the poster child for this. I would say he has definitely gotten worse. He was very good back when Grant was on good good and they were doing 1 on 1 matches and he’s been getting worse since then. If I had to guess his focus is probably less on Golf now and more on growing the good good brand with sponsorships and merchandise. Still, every time he is 150 yards away and decides to try and smash a lob wedge then get upset when he hooks it left I want to pull my hair out

And you’re right I will concede that Trent has gotten a lot better, but none of the other foreplay guys really have

ETA: the BobDoesSports guys absolutely have NOT gotten better. In fact, I would say Perez and Cold Cuts have both gotten worse. But I mean their brand is bad golf so I can’t really blame them

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And you’re right I will concede that Trent has gotten a lot better, but none of the other foreplay guys really have

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Riggs and Frankie have absolutely gotten a lot better than when that channel started.

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ETA: the BobDoesSports guys absolutely have NOT gotten better. In fact, I would say Perez and Cold Cuts have both gotten worse. But I mean their brand is bad golf so I can’t really blame them

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Bob has improved his scores by at east 10 shots a round. And Fat Perez is noticeably better since his weight loss. There's a website that actually tracks the rounds they post. Joey D has gone from an 22 to an 11. Bob has shot as low as an 80 on youtube, he's gone from a 26 to a 10 handicap. He wasn't even in the ballpark of that number when they started. Fat Perez was a 4 handicap when they started and is down to a 0.3,

If you're interested, here is the website that tracks all published youtube golf rounds.
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Garrett, who is apparently the poster-child for what you're talking about has gone from a 1 to a +3.1. His best was a +5. Grant Horvatt has gone up and down too. He started as a +1.5, got as good as a +4, then dropped to a +2.7, and is now back up to a +3.8.

Like I said, the guys who were already scratch level golfers or better are going to have less noticeable improvements and go up and down. The guys, however, who were god awful have all gotten considerably better the longer they've been on youtube. That doesn't mean they're going to go from being horrible to good golfers in a few years unless they have just ridiculous natural talent, which none of them do

I think what you're seeing in re to Garrett is when he's playing odd ball formats that aren't straight stroke play, he tries crazy shots (that's how his youtube career started) to see what he can do. And many times he doesn't execute them.

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Did he even get better when they had him stay at Pinehurst for like 3 months playing and practicing every day for 90 days straight?

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I don't know how seriously to take his edits, but he went from a 16 to an 8 during that time

1.- The majority of them have improved significantly

2.- Dalke is playing extremely well. I'd bet money he's a top 100 player on the planet right now.

Yea that's pretty crazy imo to have your lowest 8/20 to average to a 77.6 and the highest 12/20 average almost 91.

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I do think there is some shady shite going on with exactly what tee boxes he's playing compared to what he's presenting, how far (short) he hits his driver, and how far he's needing to hit his approach shots into the green.

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I've come across a few videos from those way more invested than I showing them saying they are playing from the blues or blacks but then using satellite imagery to show that they are clearly playing from the whites.