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Hot Take: PGA Tour should ban yardage and greens books.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/14/20 at 4:19 pm
Let them use range finders. No greens books. Would speed things up quite a bit.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
Posted on 6/14/20 at 4:43 pm to Tyga Woods
Caddies pay will decrease hugely.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 4:53 pm to Tyga Woods
I agree with the range finder but don’t get rid of the greens books. I feel like that would slow them down if they didn’t have the greens book.
I personally think greens books are useless but to each their own I guess.
I personally think greens books are useless but to each their own I guess.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 4:59 pm to BallChamp00
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Caddies pay will decrease hugely.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 5:05 pm to Tyga Woods
I took some time off golf a few years ago but didn’t they legalize range finders for tournament play or did the PGA keep them away? I know they use them in practice rounds.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 5:45 pm to Tyga Woods
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Let them use range finders. No greens books. Would speed things up quite a bit.
What do you guys think?
Range finders will not speed up play on tour. There is more information they need so they’d go to the yardage book anyway. They did a trial on the web a couple of years ago and it showed no benefit.
The greens books should be outlawed
Posted on 6/14/20 at 5:46 pm to TiptonInSC
I'm the opposite. Keep the yardage book and get rid of the greens book.
Reading greens is a skill and few pros have it anymore.
Reading greens is a skill and few pros have it anymore.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 6:04 pm to Tyga Woods
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Would speed things up quite a bit.
I would be happy if they would just enforce the pace of play rules
Posted on 6/14/20 at 7:06 pm to hehateme2285
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There is more information they need so they’d go to the yardage book anyway
Not if they weren’t allowed to use yardage books
Posted on 6/14/20 at 7:57 pm to Tyga Woods
They still need to go to the book to find where the ridge in the green is, but it speeds up the process of determining where they are from the center. No more stepping it off from a sprinkler head and mathing it with the pathagorean theorem to get the actual distance. Eliminating that process will save some time.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 7:58 pm to Tyga Woods
Most players arrive at their tee shots while the group ahead is still putting out. So as long is the flag is out the range finder is useless. I don't have a problem with the green books. The time it adds to pace of play is insignificant imo.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 8:38 pm to Floyd Dawg
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Reading greens is a skill and few pros have it anymore.
I’m no pro and I couldn’t read a green if my
Life depended on it. How do you see what your looking for? Do you just start picking it up the more you play?
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:43 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I’m no pro and I couldn’t read a green if my
Life depended on it. How do you see what your looking for? Do you just start picking it up the more you play?
Read the different shades of the grass and the slick look is one way.
I like the purity of the game and let's face it, these Pros don't need any more help or advantage.
The equipment is so good, it is hard enough to keep their scores down.
Id like to watch them play US Open conditions more often.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:46 pm to bopper50
Read the grain, shade, undulations... a lot of greens break towards water if there’s water on the hole. It’s an art form
This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 6/14/20 at 10:35 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I’m no pro and I couldn’t read a green if my Life depended on it. How do you see what your looking for? Do you just start picking it up the more you play?
Take a class on aimpoint
Posted on 6/15/20 at 6:22 am to hehateme2285
I'm a decent golfer but have never owned or used a Greens book.
I have played with a few guys that use them and you can tell a significant difference in their putting compared to a normal low handicapper. They do have an advantage if you know how to use one.
I have played with a few guys that use them and you can tell a significant difference in their putting compared to a normal low handicapper. They do have an advantage if you know how to use one.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:12 am to reggo75
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have played with a few guys that use them and you can tell a significant difference in their putting compared to a normal low handicapper. They do have an advantage if you know how to use one.
Well yea no shite, I mean it’s a book that tells you exactly where all the breaks on the green are going how does that NOT make you a better putter?
I’m a pretty honest golfer (talk about an oxymoron), but it drives me nuts sometimes when playing in tournaments or just competitive games with friends. Pros are already SO good and then they have HUGE advantages, markers to find their balls that go into trees, caddies to give them info, green books to tell them breaks, and immaculate courses.
Yet if an amateur ever fluffs a lie, moves a ball off a horrible fairway lie, give themselves a 3 ft putt because they greens are bumpy and rolling horrible, some people act like they are the worst pieces of shite alive. I feel like half the courses I play a pro would quit mid round due to shitty conditions yet amateurs are expected to play them and be more rigid on rules than a pro!
Can you imagine showing up to your weekend game and stopping every hole to read a green book?
Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:27 am to Tiger1242
For the record, I don't think your average golfer is expected to be more rigid on the rules than a pro. All golfers are expected to play by the rules and I would venture that most would expect the pros to be more rigid with rules (sans P.Reed).
What you're talking about aren't rules related. Pros get a lot of benefits that average golfers don't, but it's still the same rules book.
If you bounce one off a grandstand like a pro, your relief would be the same. You just don't have the grandstand they do. You don't have marshals looking for your ball. You play on bad greens. All of those are true and make golf harder on the am than the pro. But the rules are still the same.
What you're talking about aren't rules related. Pros get a lot of benefits that average golfers don't, but it's still the same rules book.
If you bounce one off a grandstand like a pro, your relief would be the same. You just don't have the grandstand they do. You don't have marshals looking for your ball. You play on bad greens. All of those are true and make golf harder on the am than the pro. But the rules are still the same.
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