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re: Golf has a numbers problem
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:35 pm to DestrehanTiger
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:35 pm to DestrehanTiger
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I agree to an extent. However, in this scenario, that foursome is going to wait for a twosome to play through, then will soon be caught by the other twosome. Then, since they've been waiting, that threesome will likely be on their arse. Even if they are a foursome that is playing at a good pace, now they've drastically slowed down their own round because there are not full groups behind them.
Very true.
I also have a problem with people who think golf should take 3 hours at public courses on the weekend. If you are a single or twosome behind a foursome at a public course on the weekend, and they are playing at or under a 4 hour pace, you should have zero expectation to be let though. Zero.
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:49 pm to PhiTiger1764
If you don’t let a single or twosome through if there’s room for them to go through you’re an a-hole plain and simple. Again, there’s a lost etiquette in golf. People seem to take it personally when someone needs to play through. I don’t like seeing people waiting behind me. If they’re faster, go ahead dude, let it rip.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:38 pm to RawDog7984
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If you don’t let a single or twosome through if there’s room for them to go through you’re an a-hole plain and simple. Again, there’s a most etiquette in golf.
But the point he is making is that this opportunity really does not exist on public courses on the weekends in this era of amateur golf. Sure, there may be anecdotal examples of a foursome with nobody within 2 holes not letting someone play through. However, I'd say its often a situation where a slow round festers in people's mind. They assume there's acres of room in front of the group in front of them, but there's likely another group right out of sight. Weekends at almost every public course are going to be jammed.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:39 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Courses need to do a better job of trying to get 4 people in a group as often as possible. I rather just play with people I know, but I am only looking out for myself. Courses need to organize this better
This is a huge problem at BREC and probably other courses. If I book 10:00 for two people, someone else ends up booking two for 10:00, but we usually play as separate groups. We shouldn’t have a choice but to play as a foursome.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:42 pm to DestrehanTiger
I don’t disagree. I’ve just seen it before. Happened the last time i played. Guys couldn’t get off the tee. We’re were flying around, course wasn’t packed. People just make you wait. But, there is instances where there’s nowhere to go.
But in reality It’s all just a combination of lack of etiquette and a Marshall who doesn’t do their job. 4.5 to 5 hour rounds is pretty insane for casual rounds of golf. But it seems to be the norm these days.
But in reality It’s all just a combination of lack of etiquette and a Marshall who doesn’t do their job. 4.5 to 5 hour rounds is pretty insane for casual rounds of golf. But it seems to be the norm these days.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:20 pm to DestrehanTiger
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But the point he is making is that this opportunity really does not exist on public courses on the weekends in this era of amateur golf.
When does the “big quit” occur?
Golf is a mania. Everyone is playing. All the time. Tee sheets are jammed everywhere.
At some point this will subside, or are we in a “new golf era” where nobody ever quits?
Posted on 5/21/25 at 10:26 pm to makersmark1
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When does the “big quit” occur?
Summer is coming. You gotta be die hard to go out there in the 100° and play.
Last week i saw a whole family outing on the golf course. Women, children, grandpas. They were two groups ahead of me and i dont think they finished 9 holes.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 10:42 pm to Tiger1242
They need to raise the green fee.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 6:21 am to Tiger1242
In the junior club championship one year they made us go last after the women. We were behind 5 groups of 4 women who were playing every shot like it was the back nine of a US Open final round on their way to triple digit rounds on scalped greens and tough pins.
First round was over 6 hours, it was 104F with high humidity . I melted down on the back shot 35/44 for a 79 and was tied for the lead. I declined to play the second round in protest. The juniors had to walk, one of my friends had a mild heat stroke and had to be carted in about halfway through back nine.
We played with my dads friends every week and our 3-4 fivesomes could easily play in 3 hours with no rush. Its like bass fishing. Pikers ruin everything fun.
First round was over 6 hours, it was 104F with high humidity . I melted down on the back shot 35/44 for a 79 and was tied for the lead. I declined to play the second round in protest. The juniors had to walk, one of my friends had a mild heat stroke and had to be carted in about halfway through back nine.
We played with my dads friends every week and our 3-4 fivesomes could easily play in 3 hours with no rush. Its like bass fishing. Pikers ruin everything fun.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 6:22 am to Camp Randall
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They need to raise the green fee.
And keep poors from financing bass boats for 20 years. Poors ruin everything.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 8:58 am to PhiTiger1764
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you are a single or twosome behind a foursome at a public course on the weekend, and they are playing at or under a 4 hour pace, you should have zero expectation to be let though. Zero.
I'm sorry but this is dumb. nd also just kind of a dick move. Who the hell cares what you think the time of someone else's round should be. If there is room in front of you and you don't let someone through just because you think they should be happy with a four hour round is a straight up a-hole move. It only takes a few minutes to let someone through, it's not that big of a deal, good lord.
I've never had to do this but if I was a single or duo and your dumbass foursome had me waiting for numerous holes with room to go in front, I would starting hitting into you as soon as you stepped off the fairway or green. If you're going to be a complete a-hole, so am I.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:01 am to iwyLSUiwy
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I've never had to do this but if I was a single or duo and your dumbass foursome had me waiting for numerous holes with room to go in front, I would starting hitting into you as soon as you stepped off the fairway or green. If you're going to be a complete a-hole, so am I.
There's a big difference in the a-hole here. The other a-hole made your round inconvenient. Your a-hole move may severely injure someone.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:07 am to DestrehanTiger
I mean I've been playing golf for 25 years and have never done that and odds are about 99% chance I never will. It's not a likely hypothetical.
But hitting in to them one or two times would give them the hint that they need to get a life and let the much faster group through.
But hitting in to them one or two times would give them the hint that they need to get a life and let the much faster group through.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:11 am to iwyLSUiwy
I mean if theres truly room, like at least a full hole in front of your group and someone is playing faster behind you. If you refuse to let them play through; I see no issues with message balls being sent your way.
Thats the way of things.
Thats the way of things.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:11 am to iwyLSUiwy
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But hitting in to them one or two times would give them the hint that they need to get a life and let the much faster group through.
There's not an argument that can be made, in my opinion, that justifies hitting into someone. I was hit once by a friend from 300 yards away. An antsy starter told him he needed to tee off even though he wasn't comfortable going with the first hole being a short par 4. Thankfully, it hit the meatiest part of my body in my thigh. I had a bruise the size of a cabbage ball for 2 weeks. I am really lucky it didn't hit anywhere near my head.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:22 am to iwyLSUiwy
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It only takes a few minutes to let someone through
This is definitely not always the case though.
Playing through speeds the round up for the group that plays through, but it makes the slow group slower and can back the course up even further.
It's still the slow group's fault for being slow, but allowing a group to play through, if not executed perfectly (which it probably won't be) can exacerbate the problem.
I once played with a guy at a private club around here and he was obsessed with pace. Almost had a meltdown that our foursome wasn't keeping pace with the single ahead of us. He kept rushing the rest of the group. We finished the round in 3:25 but if you listened to him you'd think we were out there 5.5 hours.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:24 am to Pendulum
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I mean if theres truly room, like at least a full hole in front of your group and someone is playing faster behind you. If you refuse to let them play through; I see no issues with message balls being sent your way.
I'm sure that'd play well in the deposition.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:29 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I once played with a guy at a private club around here and he was obsessed with pace. Almost had a meltdown that our foursome wasn't keeping pace with the single ahead of us. He kept rushing the rest of the group. We finished the round in 3:25 but if you listened to him you'd think we were out there 5.5 hours.
Sounds like a great way to ruin everyone else's time. I know I get anxious in my own head if I feel like others in my group are slowing the course down. However, I usually try to let my actions show that we should pick up the pace. I'll by the first to tee off even if others are still getting out of the cart, start walking up to the green with clubs ready to go, etc.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:35 am to DestrehanTiger
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There's not an argument that can be made, in my opinion, that justifies hitting into someone
Agree to disagree.
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I was hit once by a friend from 300 yards away. An antsy starter told him he needed to tee off even though he wasn't comfortable going with the first hole being a short par 4. Thankfully, it hit the meatiest part of my body in my thigh. I had a bruise the size of a cabbage ball for 2 weeks. I am really lucky it didn't hit anywhere near my head.
Unfortunate situation and glad you weren't injured too badly, but it's a different situation. I wasn't saying do it when they were still on the green or in the fairway. But something that would send them a message that ok we're being dickheads.
If the course is busy and if playing through would do no good, that's another story. But my groups pace of play should not be determined by the group in front of me based on what some goof thinks is a reasonable time. If his foursome had a group playing with six in front and didn't let them through because someone in that six thought they were playing at a pace that the foursome should be happy with, that'd be ok? No. If you're slower, get out of the way. It literally takes 5 minutes to let someone through.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:50 am to Tiger1242
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I’m playing on a Wednesday morning at a standard municipal course.
Every single shot I’m waiting 5-10 mins and so is everyone else. I love golf and have nowhere to be so I’m fine waiting. But I can see how someone wouldn’t be willing to play a 5 hr round of golf and just give it up.
Get early tee times.. around 8am or earlier. That's when the good, fast players play. Rounds are much faster, plus not as many groups in front to slow things down.
Plus early mornings on a pretty golf course is just so enjoyable.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 9:51 am
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