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1st hole in one happens in a scramble, should it count?
Posted on 8/21/17 at 6:40 am
Posted on 8/21/17 at 6:40 am
A guy I know made his first hole in one in a 2 man scramble a couple weeks ago.
Talking about it with a friend, he was very adamant that holes in ones should only "count" on your record only when playing your own ball.
I disagree. No one is setting you up on a Par 3. You hit the shot that everyone else has. A hole in one is a hole in one.
He apparently isn't the only one with that opinion. Taking with others, a good bit have agreed that it shouldn't count if you aren't playing your own ball.
What says the golf board?
Talking about it with a friend, he was very adamant that holes in ones should only "count" on your record only when playing your own ball.
I disagree. No one is setting you up on a Par 3. You hit the shot that everyone else has. A hole in one is a hole in one.
He apparently isn't the only one with that opinion. Taking with others, a good bit have agreed that it shouldn't count if you aren't playing your own ball.
What says the golf board?
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Posted on 8/21/17 at 6:45 am to SBvital
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No one is setting you up on a Par 3. You hit the shot that everyone else has. A hole in one is a hole in one
Posted on 8/21/17 at 6:52 am to SBvital
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Talking about it with a friend, he was very adamant that holes in ones should only "count" on your record only when playing your own ball.
So card a 2 on that hole?
Not sure what he means by "count".
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:10 am to SBvital
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it shouldn't count if you aren't playing your own ball.
He was playing his own ball. He knocked a tee shot in the hole, thats a hole in one. Your friend sounds petty.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:26 am to SBvital
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What says the golf board?
You need new friends
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:44 am to Zanzibaw
If you were the one that hit it. If someone else hits it, it doesn't count for you.
I don't understand the logic behind not "counting" it.
I don't understand the logic behind not "counting" it.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:52 am to SBvital
It's 100% counted as a hole in one. Not even questionable. A Mulligan would be debatable.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 7:56 am to Nodust
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Not sure what he means by "count".
As in claim it as a hole in one for you when asked. I've seriously had people say that a "real" hole in one should be on your own ball. I just don't get it.
And again, it's not the first time I've heard that. I find it really weird. Lol
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:20 am to SBvital
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. I've seriously had people say that a "real" hole in one should be on your own ball.
What do they mean your won ball? Are they hitting someone else's ball on the tee box of a scramble?
get new friends.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:21 am to SBvital
When someone asks if he made a hole in one he can say yes.
There's no official USGA trophy
There's no official USGA trophy
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:24 am to SBvital
The USGA recommends that it be considered "valid."
LINK
LINK
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The USGA recommends that a hole-in-one be considered valid:
a. If made during a round of at least nine holes, except that a hole-in-one made during a match should be acceptable even if the match ends before the stipulated round is completed.
b. If the player is playing one ball; a hole-in-one made in a practice round in which the player is playing two or more balls should not be acceptable.
c. If attested by someone acceptable to the Committee.
d. If made at a hole with a temporary tee and/or putting green in use, even if the Committee did not specifically define the teeing ground with tee-markers; the length of the hole at the time should be stated on any certificate.
e. If made in a "scramble" competition, which is played as follows: A side comprises four players. Each member of a side plays from the teeing ground, the best drive is selected, each member plays a second shot from where the best drive is located, and so on.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:36 am to SBvital
Had this happen to me, although I wasn't the player who hit the shot. Playing in a trny, two man scramble, on a 9 hole course. Second time around, no. 2/11 par 3, my partner aces it. If he would of done it first time around, would of won a golf cart. Got a dozen balls for his trouble.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:38 am to SBvital
quote:Guessing that friend has never made one.
Talking about it with a friend, he was very adamant that holes in ones should only "count" on your record only when playing your own ball.
You get past 5 and you pretty much stop caring what other people think about how it went in.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:39 am to Master of Sinanju
I didn't see any reference to this in the above rulings from USGA but I remember reading a story many years ago about a guy who made a hole in one at his club one. His club had a "hole in one club" where all who wanted, made a small monthly contribution to the pot and when someone made an ace, they won whatever was in the pot at the time. Appearntly it had been several months growing when the guy made his and when it happened, with the excitement, the group quit the round at that point to go and celebrate. Problem was that one of the rules set forth by whatever the governing body was (PGA/USGA) states that the round must be completed. The club refused to award him the money.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 8:49 am to SBvital
quote:Whoa, wait. It counts as a hole in one for the guy that hit it. It is not a hole in one for the non-hitting partner. Are you trying to claim a hole in one that you did not hit?
As in claim it as a hole in one for you when asked. I've seriously had people say that a "real" hole in one should be on your own ball. I just don't get it.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:14 am to CoachChappy
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What do they mean your won ball? Are they hitting someone else's ball on the tee box of a scramble?
Sorry for being vague. When I say "own ball" meaning, not a team event. You are on your own. No help from other players on that hole.
The argument I hear the most is that when you are playing a par 3 in a team event, especially difficult holes, your partner can secure a putt just by taking a safe shot and hitting the green. The other player firing at the pin when one might not do so in a normal situation.
The USGA specifically mentioning it being valid in a scramble is pretty funny. I'll have to remember that.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 9:15 am
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:19 am to Boudreaux35
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Appearntly it had been several months growing when the guy made his and when it happened, with the excitement, the group quit the round at that point to go and celebrate. Problem was that one of the rules set forth by whatever the governing body was (PGA/USGA) states that the round must be completed. The club refused to award him the money.
This is absolutely the rule at our club too. You have to finish at least 9 holes for the hole in one to be official.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:21 am to BallChamp00
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A Mulligan would be debatable.
A mulligan is not debatable. That's a great shot, but it's not an official hole in one.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:21 am to SBvital
Only reason for it not counting is maybe because in a team event, you may not hit first. Also could be getting advice, tips from teammates on the proper approach.
FWIW, I'd count it.
FWIW, I'd count it.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 9:25 am to Boudreaux35
I was involved in a tournament one time where this guy hit it out of bounds on his last hole of the day. Used a mulligan and made it the next, thinking it was a hole in one. While celebrating, he made the comment about making his first hole in one in a scramble and wishing it was on his own ball (another example of someone thinking this original topic).
After finishing the hole, a guy in his group asked him if he really had a mulligan because he thought he used it already. He said he absolutely had one. They went hole by hole and found the hole where he used it on a putt. He didn't have a mulligan to use..
So he had to take a par, since he was the only one on that hole to finish, with the penalty stroke for going out of bounds. He was pretty pissed.
After finishing the hole, a guy in his group asked him if he really had a mulligan because he thought he used it already. He said he absolutely had one. They went hole by hole and found the hole where he used it on a putt. He didn't have a mulligan to use..
So he had to take a par, since he was the only one on that hole to finish, with the penalty stroke for going out of bounds. He was pretty pissed.
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