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Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:29 pm to Master Guilbeau
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Lol they’re even removing all racial bonus stats like dwarves +2 to strength and stuff so that all races and characters can be equal. Lol. How pathetic.
No, they're giving players the option to do so.
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Third, an as-yet-unannounced new product will give players the option to “customize their character’s origin,” including ability scores, a change the developer says will “emphasize that each person in the game is an individual with capabilities all their own.”
You can still play the classic method as well. On one hand, I agree with you in that there are some classic roles and archetypes that go with the flow of the game. OTOH, it'd be nice to play some "not necessarily built for this" combinations where other players don't question your sanity for putting them together. It's like after 3rd edition, Dwarves - fairly common as Paladins in previous editions - became almost Paladin-free thanks to the penalty to Charisma.
So, if I were running a group and they had mixed feelings of it, I'd say something akin to, "You get normal racial bonuses unless you can come up with a really good reason otherwise. Perhaps you were raised in a completely foreign setting, that emphasized bookish learning over social interaction (a racial +2 to Cha becomes +2 to Int).
I do agree that they are taking it to the extreme though (which may sound like a counter to my previous post, but that's more of a gripe against lazy players and DMs), and pretty much everyone I know that's a player of color thinks it's all stupid (especially considering there are black humans - it'd certainly be racist if all humans were white, or if all black humans were evil).
The pale elves all being good and the ebony skinned elves all being evil, though, is not the best optic for people not familiar with the lore.
Orcs probably wouldn't be viewed as "looking like black people" nearly so much if not for that terrible movie "Bright" - which basically turned orcs into an allegory for African-Americans, insultingly so.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 4:33 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Think of the worshipers of Lloth like Wahhabi Islam.
They're basically a death cult.
Fair, though the game got a bit lazy in saying that basically the entire race worships the one Goddess. I mean, you'd think there'd be at least some self-serving ones even if all the good ones got pushed out.
Also, I seem to recall some good-aligned Drow in a book. I THOUGHT it was about a woman who went around claiming to be Drizzt's daughter or something? I don't think it took off like his books did, and for the life of me cannot remember the name.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 5:48 pm to skrayper
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The pale elves all being good and the ebony skinned elves all being evil, though, is not the best optic for people not familiar with the lore.
I always wondered why the Drow were extremely dark skinned instead of the pale blue of the other denizens of the Underdark (Duergar and Deep Gnomes).
A race of people who live deep underground and are painfully sensitive to sunlight would NOT be dark-skinned.
If anything, the Wood Elves should be the darkest in complexion of the elven races.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 6:26 pm to Master Guilbeau
Oh for frick's sake.
Posted on 7/6/20 at 7:01 pm to Master Guilbeau
Hilarious.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:29 pm to skrayper
Were their any good orcs in lord of the rings? Was that lazy? Yes all goblins and drow are inherently evil! What’s wrong with that? Yeah, it’s possible to find one or two that might not be, but do you think that needs to be in their monster manual description? I mean jeezum petes, and as far as the whole equating blacks to orcs or drow is absolutely ridiculous. I grew up in a small southern town that was probably pretty racist and never once related those together. Never crossed my mind. Not even when I was a “new player”.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 12:48 am to Master Guilbeau
Warcraft established the concept of flexible morality with Orcs and Trolls.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 7:41 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Warcraft established the concept of flexible morality with Orcs and Trolls.
So?
In Warhammer, Orks are intelligent, sentient fungi. Should D&D make them that?
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:11 am to geauxtigers87
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Hate IS the future
These types of ppl are usually the most hateful of the group.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:41 am to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 7/8/20 at 11:47 am to CGSC Lobotomy
SJW = Illithid
Cancel Culture = ceromorphosis
Cancel Culture = ceromorphosis
Posted on 7/8/20 at 12:49 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Do you even Myconid?
We were comparing Orcs from game to game. Don't move the goalposts.
Haha.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 7:52 pm to skrayper
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DM: "You encounter some goblins, and..."
Player: "I kill 'em!"
DM: "They haven't done anything to you yet."
Player: "They're goblins, therefor they're always evil."
Every Paladin. Ever. But then again, that's how you roleplay a Lawful Good character, especially one whose foundation for their alignment is religious zealotry.
Rarely have I seen players do that outside of roleplaying, most want to at least assess them before engaging in wholesale slaughter.
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But just having the players face wave after wave of evil "race" is lazy storytelling anyway.
Which is why that sort of adventure doesn't happen, or if it does then it doesn't last long.
Posted on 7/8/20 at 9:54 pm to skrayper
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Dwarves - fairly common as Paladins in previous editions - became almost Paladin-free thanks to the penalty to Charisma.
Back in the day, Paladins were human only, at least using the core books of AD&D.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:26 am to Ace Midnight
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at least using the core books of AD&D.
AD&D is 2nd Edition.
In 1st Edition, any nonhuman character was a separate character class altogether and there were only three alignments (Lawful, Neutral and Chaotic).
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:30 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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In 1st Edition, any nonhuman character was a separate character class altogether and there were only three alignments (Lawful, Neutral and Chaotic).
No - that was just "Basic D&D".
AD&D was considered a "new" thing (first edition). 2nd edition was actually 2nd edition of AD&D.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:09 pm to Master Guilbeau
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Were their any good orcs in lord of the rings? Was that lazy?
LOTR is a series of novels that only has X number of interactions. It's not the same as an immersive RPG experience run by a competent DM; no novel is. It's not an apt comparison.
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Yes all goblins and drow are inherently evil! What’s wrong with that?
Nothing, so long as it doesn't lead to laziness in storytelling. Infiltrating a thieves guild, to find some are morally reprehensible but others are there because they have no other way to survive? Much better than, "This elf be bad. Go kill."
I agree that anyone equating orcs and drow with real world races is dumb. No one that I knew ever saw either race as any kind of allegory for a real world person or peoples. An old webcomic, Elf Only Inn, actually did a set of comics about it where they called out roleplayers for thinking it was an allegory for black people (Dark Elves) and then pointed out what they're REALLY about.
That said, people should probably stop interpreting my "I think races should be more nuanced than just 'blanket alignment X'" as "LOL, SJW D&D RULES!! LOLLLERS!!"
Orcs make me think of the Germanic tribes of lore, that went around conquering and were even part of the fall of Rome. A real world counterpart to Drow, to me, would be closer to Ancient China - structured, ruthlessly efficient, and outsiders have to earn any kind of respect. As opposed to "Drow will torture you because they think it's fun, and all drow no matter what."
Especially when there's a frickTON of players who play good-aligned Tieflings, and despite being parented by literal devils and demons are never expected to be one way or the other.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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No - that was just "Basic D&D".
Actually, it originates in OD&D. The stuff in the 1974 paper-back books. Original D&D
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This set features only a handful of the elements for which the game is known today: just three character classes (fighting-man, magic-user, and cleric); four races (human, dwarf, elf, hobbit); and only three alignments (lawful, neutral, and chaotic).
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:06 pm to Master Guilbeau
Why the frick is a Drow being jet black problematic? What Black person in reality has skin the color of charcoal? That’s fricking idiotic. No one in the world has jet black skin. Jesus Christ. There are dark skinned characters in D&D, and there always have been, that are normal humans and playable and capable of being anything from Lawful Good to Chaotic Evil. This is just dumb. shite, you can create a dark skinned elf. Drow are black, not brown. Considering most D&D people are extremely tolerant because the game attracts a certain person, it’s stupid to even bring this up.
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